[RWP] automation in reaper

Tue Apr 24 09:32:39 EDT 2012

I tried the effects routing page method of inserting an effect, then 
exposing its presets with page down, in versions 4.02, 4.21 and 4.22,.
I stuck to version 3.78 for a long time out of fear of things being 
broken after version 4, but with Roy's fix;  press ctrl+up arrow, then 
press applications key to open menus, I don't find any problems in 
versions 4 onwards.
Indigo L

On 4/24/2012 3:23 AM, Calvin Botha wrote:
> What an amazing list! Indigo, what version of reaper are you using? Do
> you think that accessing a plug-ins parameters would be any different
> for version 4, or should i revert to version 3?  You see, i am able to
> access parameters for automation but not the other way that you
> mentioned, or does it not work for all plugs.
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> DJ D at rkn3ss
>
> On 4/23/12, indigo<33indigo at charter.net>  wrote:
>> I didn't get into Reaper version so early that when parameters didn't
>> have numbers.
>> Of course, how great it would be to be able to jump to a parameter by
>> typing a letter.
>> And while we're at it; lets lie in the road and block  the author's
>> driveway until he gets rid of those stupid prefixes in the plugs folders.
>> Everything is VSTI this or that, or JS this or that.
>> There's a candidate for some kind of script or macro, to filter out that
>> prefix that keeps us from jumping to a synth by typing the initial
>> letter of its name.
>> By the way, I read complaints about that idiotic plug naming from plenty
>> of sighted users in the Cockos forums.
>> I mean, we know what folder we're in, we don't need reminding at every plug.
>> Indigo L
>> On 4/24/2012 12:31 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> Often, I find myself prefering the shift+p thing over the routing
>>> dialugoe, especially when it's an effect I am familiar with. It takes way
>>> less time, for example, to jump to a compressor's threshold, usually near
>>> the top of the parameter list this way, and I am usually working in real
>>> time with an active audio source, so can hear changes in real time. If I
>>> absolutely have to have real values, I'll use the other thing, but for
>>> lots of stuff, I don't even bother, unless I need to notch out very
>>> specific frequency bands or something. I'm done playing the numbers are
>>> everything game. Takes too much time.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was even more convenient with the old ReaAccess, I think 1.20, since
>>> every parameter didn't have an associated number in the listbox.
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:23 AM, indigo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just loaded ReaControl midi with the effects routing page method, and
>>>> it looks very interesting.
>>>> ReaControl Midi appeared to have only 1 preset, so showed nothing in the
>>>> preset combo box, but when I tabbed down there were edit boxes and
>>>> sliders at the arrow keys.
>>>> It looks like a good way to send continuous controller messages, and use
>>>> the pitch wheel, when the user has no other controller.
>>>> I'll try automating some effects parameters with it soon.
>>>> I have not tried tweaking effects parameters from shift+P.
>>>> That parameters list is a very awkward way to tweak synth parameters,
>>>> with so much tabbing up and down on each parameter.
>>>> Just for curiousity, try Snowie's method for accessing effects parameters
>>>> in some of the Rea plugs that won't show their presets.
>>>> Insert a track with ctrl+T.
>>>> Press enter, then the letter F.
>>>> In the effects routing page, shift+tab up  twice to all plugins, arrow
>>>> down to whatever kind of effect you want, arrow down 3 times for VST.
>>>> Tab down once to show the VST effects plugs.
>>>> Arrow to a plug and press enter.
>>>> Then tab down to the combo box that ought to be  displaying the plug's
>>>> presets.
>>>> For many of Reaper's included plugs; in that combo box you may get the
>>>> announcement No Presets.
>>>> To display the plug's preset list, in jaws press Alt+down arrow, then
>>>> press page down, and the presets will display.
>>>> In NVDA and Wineyes; you don't need alt+down arrow, just press page down
>>>> and the presets show.
>>>> You'll be at the bottom of the presets list and need to arrow up through
>>>> the presets.
>>>> Press enter on a preset, then tab down and you'll find edit boxes and
>>>> sliders to tweak values.
>>>>
>>>> This method is very good for exposing effects presets and parameters
>>>> without using the shift+P method; and way easier to tweak values without
>>>> all that tedious tabbing up and down, and, instead of 0 to 1000 as
>>>> values, you get many real world values, ms and frequencies in hertz, and
>>>> equalizers have their bands and frequencies nicely laid out.
>>>> It gives beautiful access, when you don't need to automate.
>>>> I'll try your ReaControl Midi for that.
>>>> By the way, you can't load a synthesizer from the effects routing page, I
>>>> tried it in jaws, NVDA and Window-Eyes.
>>>> Soft synths  appear to load, but I couldn't get a peep out of them.
>>>> It works great for effects though.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/23/2012 6:12 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>> Try opening something like Sony WaveHammer, a pretty old plugin with no
>>>>> automated controls in that view, then using the shift+P method. You
>>>>> won't get much under than wet and bypass. This is because the plugin
>>>>> doesn't expose anything to be automated, and really has nothing to do
>>>>> with Reaper itself. Same reason why you don't get things like file load
>>>>> dialogues in samplers or convolution plugins in that view, etc. It
>>>>> doesn't make sense to automate those..
>>>>> Now, try doing the same with just about any given VST, included with
>>>>> Reaper or not. Big difference
>>>>>
>>>>> If a plugin doesn't expose a parameter to be automated, it won't show up
>>>>> in the ReaAccess shift p thingy. Fortunately, many plugins do this for
>>>>> most parameters that are worth changing, although you don't necessarily
>>>>> always know what they are in some cases, like the Antress VST suite of
>>>>> plugins, where most parameters are just labeled as "knob." But at least
>>>>> you can tweak them, unlike with the native plugin UI.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you described here works if Reaper is set to make all plugins
>>>>> conform to a generic interface, and is the only way I know of to access
>>>>> presets, but you can still get to any of those exposed parameters the
>>>>> other way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/23/2012 5:14 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>> Then I don't know the difference between automatable parameters and
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> plain parameters for Reaper's effects plugins.
>>>>>> Have you tried this method of inserting effects plugs from the effects
>>>>>> routing page, Patrick.
>>>>>> Jim Snowbarger, Royand I have been learning the method for weeks now.
>>>>>> We get all the presets in a combo box, and all the parameters and edit
>>>>>> boxes for their values at the tab key?
>>>>>> Please enlighten as to how these aren't automatable parameters, and the
>>>>>> difference in the parameters you access, okay?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/23/2012 3:04 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> Nope, not really. Effects are effects, whether they are softsynths or
>>>>>>> not. The exposed automatable parameters are accessed the same way for
>>>>>>> either VST, VSTI, DX, DXI, JS, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/23/2012 2:40 PM, indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Calvin, My previous post on accessing parameters by pressing shift+P
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> track view works for soft synths.
>>>>>>>> You access parameters for effects in a slightly different way.
>>>>>>>> I don't have Reaper on this computer right now to refer to to
>>>>>>>> describe
>>>>>>>> every exact move, but it's like this.
>>>>>>>> Press ctrl+T to insert a track for the effect, press enter.
>>>>>>>> Press the letter F to go from the track view to the effects routing
>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>> Use the same tab and arrow key moves you use to find a soft synth
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> track view, in other words tab up to all plugins, select the folder
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the kind of effect, you want, like JS, DXI, VST, whatever.
>>>>>>>> Once you have an effects plug selected at your arrow keys, press
>>>>>>>> enter;
>>>>>>>> and the effect loads.
>>>>>>>> Then, find a combo box at your arrow keys which displays presets for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> plug.
>>>>>>>> If it's a third party plug you've added to Reaper, its presets will
>>>>>>>> already be displayed in a list at that combo box.
>>>>>>>> If it's an included Reaper plug like ReaControl or ReaDelay,
>>>>>>>> etcetera,
>>>>>>>> you will find the announcement No Presets displayed, but don't worry.
>>>>>>>> If you're in Jaws, press alt+down arrow, then press Page down, and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> presets lists displays.
>>>>>>>> You are placed at the bottom of the presets list, so will need to
>>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>>> up through the presets.
>>>>>>>> Select a preset, press enter.
>>>>>>>> Now, with each tab down, you find parameters for each of the plug's
>>>>>>>> presets.
>>>>>>>> There are edit boxes at your arrow keys to type new values into, or
>>>>>>>> sliders at your arrow keys to change values.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changes of effect values can be heard immediately.
>>>>>>>> There's no okay key to save changes of values, you can save them by
>>>>>>>> saving your project.
>>>>>>>> In Window-Eyes or NVDA, you don't need to press alt+down arrow in the
>>>>>>>> presets combo box; just press page down to display all the presets
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Reaper's included effects plugIns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As of now, actual automation of effects is still eluding us, unless
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do them from a control surface, which is entirely possible, but I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> you'll be impressed with how many presets, parameters and values you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> access in Reaper.
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/23/2012 8:28 AM, Calvin Botha wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hay all. Just stumbled upon this list after Reaper caught my
>>>>>>>>> attention. I like reaper's speed and versitility but am still
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> use to its opporations as i'm a sonar user.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I was wondering if it is possible to access the automatable
>>>>>>>>> parameters of vst plug-ins from within reaper like in sonar's track
>>>>>>>>> inspector. This often solved many accessibility issues with many vst
>>>>>>>>> plug-ins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those who have never used sonar, the track inspector allowed you
>>>>>>>>> to see and edit the parameters of the current effect you had loaded.
>>>>>>>>> For example, if you had a reverb plug-in that supported automation
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> the interface wasn't jaws friendly, you could go to the inspector
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> scrole to, for example, pre-delay and change its value by using the
>>>>>>>>> plus and minus keys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question is, is this possible in reaper?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DJ D at rkn3ss
>>>>>>>>>
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