[RWP] automation in reaper
Calvin Botha
djdarkness.botha at gmail.com
Tue Apr 24 03:23:22 EDT 2012
What an amazing list! Indigo, what version of reaper are you using? Do
you think that accessing a plug-ins parameters would be any different
for version 4, or should i revert to version 3? You see, i am able to
access parameters for automation but not the other way that you
mentioned, or does it not work for all plugs.
Kind Regards
DJ D at rkn3ss
On 4/23/12, indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> I didn't get into Reaper version so early that when parameters didn't
> have numbers.
> Of course, how great it would be to be able to jump to a parameter by
> typing a letter.
> And while we're at it; lets lie in the road and block the author's
> driveway until he gets rid of those stupid prefixes in the plugs folders.
> Everything is VSTI this or that, or JS this or that.
> There's a candidate for some kind of script or macro, to filter out that
> prefix that keeps us from jumping to a synth by typing the initial
> letter of its name.
> By the way, I read complaints about that idiotic plug naming from plenty
> of sighted users in the Cockos forums.
> I mean, we know what folder we're in, we don't need reminding at every plug.
> Indigo L
> On 4/24/2012 12:31 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>> Often, I find myself prefering the shift+p thing over the routing
>> dialugoe, especially when it's an effect I am familiar with. It takes way
>> less time, for example, to jump to a compressor's threshold, usually near
>> the top of the parameter list this way, and I am usually working in real
>> time with an active audio source, so can hear changes in real time. If I
>> absolutely have to have real values, I'll use the other thing, but for
>> lots of stuff, I don't even bother, unless I need to notch out very
>> specific frequency bands or something. I'm done playing the numbers are
>> everything game. Takes too much time.
>>
>>
>> It was even more convenient with the old ReaAccess, I think 1.20, since
>> every parameter didn't have an associated number in the listbox.
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:23 AM, indigo wrote:
>>
>>> I just loaded ReaControl midi with the effects routing page method, and
>>> it looks very interesting.
>>> ReaControl Midi appeared to have only 1 preset, so showed nothing in the
>>> preset combo box, but when I tabbed down there were edit boxes and
>>> sliders at the arrow keys.
>>> It looks like a good way to send continuous controller messages, and use
>>> the pitch wheel, when the user has no other controller.
>>> I'll try automating some effects parameters with it soon.
>>> I have not tried tweaking effects parameters from shift+P.
>>> That parameters list is a very awkward way to tweak synth parameters,
>>> with so much tabbing up and down on each parameter.
>>> Just for curiousity, try Snowie's method for accessing effects parameters
>>> in some of the Rea plugs that won't show their presets.
>>> Insert a track with ctrl+T.
>>> Press enter, then the letter F.
>>> In the effects routing page, shift+tab up twice to all plugins, arrow
>>> down to whatever kind of effect you want, arrow down 3 times for VST.
>>> Tab down once to show the VST effects plugs.
>>> Arrow to a plug and press enter.
>>> Then tab down to the combo box that ought to be displaying the plug's
>>> presets.
>>> For many of Reaper's included plugs; in that combo box you may get the
>>> announcement No Presets.
>>> To display the plug's preset list, in jaws press Alt+down arrow, then
>>> press page down, and the presets will display.
>>> In NVDA and Wineyes; you don't need alt+down arrow, just press page down
>>> and the presets show.
>>> You'll be at the bottom of the presets list and need to arrow up through
>>> the presets.
>>> Press enter on a preset, then tab down and you'll find edit boxes and
>>> sliders to tweak values.
>>>
>>> This method is very good for exposing effects presets and parameters
>>> without using the shift+P method; and way easier to tweak values without
>>> all that tedious tabbing up and down, and, instead of 0 to 1000 as
>>> values, you get many real world values, ms and frequencies in hertz, and
>>> equalizers have their bands and frequencies nicely laid out.
>>> It gives beautiful access, when you don't need to automate.
>>> I'll try your ReaControl Midi for that.
>>> By the way, you can't load a synthesizer from the effects routing page, I
>>> tried it in jaws, NVDA and Window-Eyes.
>>> Soft synths appear to load, but I couldn't get a peep out of them.
>>> It works great for effects though.
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/23/2012 6:12 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>> Try opening something like Sony WaveHammer, a pretty old plugin with no
>>>> automated controls in that view, then using the shift+P method. You
>>>> won't get much under than wet and bypass. This is because the plugin
>>>> doesn't expose anything to be automated, and really has nothing to do
>>>> with Reaper itself. Same reason why you don't get things like file load
>>>> dialogues in samplers or convolution plugins in that view, etc. It
>>>> doesn't make sense to automate those..
>>>> Now, try doing the same with just about any given VST, included with
>>>> Reaper or not. Big difference
>>>>
>>>> If a plugin doesn't expose a parameter to be automated, it won't show up
>>>> in the ReaAccess shift p thingy. Fortunately, many plugins do this for
>>>> most parameters that are worth changing, although you don't necessarily
>>>> always know what they are in some cases, like the Antress VST suite of
>>>> plugins, where most parameters are just labeled as "knob." But at least
>>>> you can tweak them, unlike with the native plugin UI.
>>>>
>>>> What you described here works if Reaper is set to make all plugins
>>>> conform to a generic interface, and is the only way I know of to access
>>>> presets, but you can still get to any of those exposed parameters the
>>>> other way.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/23/2012 5:14 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>> Then I don't know the difference between automatable parameters and
>>>>> just
>>>>> plain parameters for Reaper's effects plugins.
>>>>> Have you tried this method of inserting effects plugs from the effects
>>>>> routing page, Patrick.
>>>>> Jim Snowbarger, Royand I have been learning the method for weeks now.
>>>>> We get all the presets in a combo box, and all the parameters and edit
>>>>> boxes for their values at the tab key?
>>>>> Please enlighten as to how these aren't automatable parameters, and the
>>>>> difference in the parameters you access, okay?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/23/2012 3:04 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>> Nope, not really. Effects are effects, whether they are softsynths or
>>>>>> not. The exposed automatable parameters are accessed the same way for
>>>>>> either VST, VSTI, DX, DXI, JS, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/23/2012 2:40 PM, indigo wrote:
>>>>>>> Calvin, My previous post on accessing parameters by pressing shift+P
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> track view works for soft synths.
>>>>>>> You access parameters for effects in a slightly different way.
>>>>>>> I don't have Reaper on this computer right now to refer to to
>>>>>>> describe
>>>>>>> every exact move, but it's like this.
>>>>>>> Press ctrl+T to insert a track for the effect, press enter.
>>>>>>> Press the letter F to go from the track view to the effects routing
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>> Use the same tab and arrow key moves you use to find a soft synth
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> track view, in other words tab up to all plugins, select the folder
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the kind of effect, you want, like JS, DXI, VST, whatever.
>>>>>>> Once you have an effects plug selected at your arrow keys, press
>>>>>>> enter;
>>>>>>> and the effect loads.
>>>>>>> Then, find a combo box at your arrow keys which displays presets for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> plug.
>>>>>>> If it's a third party plug you've added to Reaper, its presets will
>>>>>>> already be displayed in a list at that combo box.
>>>>>>> If it's an included Reaper plug like ReaControl or ReaDelay,
>>>>>>> etcetera,
>>>>>>> you will find the announcement No Presets displayed, but don't worry.
>>>>>>> If you're in Jaws, press alt+down arrow, then press Page down, and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> presets lists displays.
>>>>>>> You are placed at the bottom of the presets list, so will need to
>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>> up through the presets.
>>>>>>> Select a preset, press enter.
>>>>>>> Now, with each tab down, you find parameters for each of the plug's
>>>>>>> presets.
>>>>>>> There are edit boxes at your arrow keys to type new values into, or
>>>>>>> sliders at your arrow keys to change values.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Changes of effect values can be heard immediately.
>>>>>>> There's no okay key to save changes of values, you can save them by
>>>>>>> saving your project.
>>>>>>> In Window-Eyes or NVDA, you don't need to press alt+down arrow in the
>>>>>>> presets combo box; just press page down to display all the presets
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Reaper's included effects plugIns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As of now, actual automation of effects is still eluding us, unless
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> do them from a control surface, which is entirely possible, but I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> you'll be impressed with how many presets, parameters and values you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> access in Reaper.
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/23/2012 8:28 AM, Calvin Botha wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hay all. Just stumbled upon this list after Reaper caught my
>>>>>>>> attention. I like reaper's speed and versitility but am still
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> use to its opporations as i'm a sonar user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, I was wondering if it is possible to access the automatable
>>>>>>>> parameters of vst plug-ins from within reaper like in sonar's track
>>>>>>>> inspector. This often solved many accessibility issues with many vst
>>>>>>>> plug-ins.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who have never used sonar, the track inspector allowed you
>>>>>>>> to see and edit the parameters of the current effect you had loaded.
>>>>>>>> For example, if you had a reverb plug-in that supported automation
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the interface wasn't jaws friendly, you could go to the inspector
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> scrole to, for example, pre-delay and change its value by using the
>>>>>>>> plus and minus keys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is, is this possible in reaper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DJ D at rkn3ss
>>>>>>>>
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