[RWP] automation in reaper

[indigo]

Snowie's effect routing page method works in the plug's native interface.
I never select generic interface.
It does nothing for me to show more clickable presets or parameters on 
the plugs interface in the effects routing page.
I probe the interface of any new plug with Wineyes number pad keys, and 
haven't found a plug yet that the generic interface did anything for.
If I left click on UI it exposes  a few  more parameters at Wineyes 
numPad, but mostly parameters don't respond well with that method.

I only wish that soft synths could be loaded from the effects routing 
page, and their presets and parameters exposed themselves as 
conveniently as effects plugs do.
When loaded with the regular insert virtual instrument method in track 
view, there are some friendly synths that have their presets in that 
same combo box where effects plugs presets display, but, so far, I've 
not found a way to get soft synths to show parameters, edit boxes and 
sliders at the tab key in Reaper's effects routing view.
Indigo L



On 4/23/2012 6:12 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
> Try opening something like Sony WaveHammer, a pretty old plugin with no
> automated controls in that view, then using the shift+P method. You
> won't get much under than wet and bypass. This is because the plugin
> doesn't expose anything to be automated, and really has nothing to do
> with Reaper itself. Same reason why you don't get things like file load
> dialogues in samplers or convolution plugins in that view, etc. It
> doesn't make sense to automate those..
> Now, try doing the same with just about any given VST, included with
> Reaper or not. Big difference
>
> If a plugin doesn't expose a parameter to be automated, it won't show up
> in the ReaAccess shift p thingy. Fortunately, many plugins do this for
> most parameters that are worth changing, although you don't necessarily
> always know what they are in some cases, like the Antress VST suite of
> plugins, where most parameters are just labeled as "knob." But at least
> you can tweak them, unlike with the native plugin UI.
>
> What you described here works if Reaper is set to make all plugins
> conform to a generic interface, and is the only way I know of to access
> presets, but you can still get to any of those exposed parameters the
> other way.
>
> On 4/23/2012 5:14 PM, Indigo wrote:
>> Then I don't know the difference between automatable parameters and just
>> plain parameters for Reaper's effects plugins.
>> Have you tried this method of inserting effects plugs from the effects
>> routing page, Patrick.
>> Jim Snowbarger, Royand I have been learning the method for weeks now.
>> We get all the presets in a combo box, and all the parameters and edit
>> boxes for their values at the tab key?
>> Please enlighten as to how these aren't automatable parameters, and the
>> difference in the parameters you access, okay?
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/2012 3:04 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> Nope, not really. Effects are effects, whether they are softsynths or
>>> not. The exposed automatable parameters are accessed the same way for
>>> either VST, VSTI, DX, DXI, JS, etc.
>>>
>>> On 4/23/2012 2:40 PM, indigo wrote:
>>>> Calvin, My previous post on accessing parameters by pressing shift+P in
>>>> track view works for soft synths.
>>>> You access parameters for effects in a slightly different way.
>>>> I don't have Reaper on this computer right now to refer to to describe
>>>> every exact move, but it's like this.
>>>> Press ctrl+T to insert a track for the effect, press enter.
>>>> Press the letter F to go from the track view to the effects routing
>>>> page.
>>>> Use the same tab and arrow key moves you use to find a soft synth from
>>>> track view, in other words tab up to all plugins, select the folder for
>>>> the kind of effect, you want, like JS, DXI, VST, whatever.
>>>> Once you have an effects plug selected at your arrow keys, press enter;
>>>> and the effect loads.
>>>> Then, find a combo box at your arrow keys which displays presets for
>>>> the
>>>> plug.
>>>> If it's a third party plug you've added to Reaper, its presets will
>>>> already be displayed in a list at that combo box.
>>>> If it's an included Reaper plug like ReaControl or ReaDelay, etcetera,
>>>> you will find the announcement No Presets displayed, but don't worry.
>>>> If you're in Jaws, press alt+down arrow, then press Page down, and the
>>>> presets lists displays.
>>>> You are placed at the bottom of the presets list, so will need to arrow
>>>> up through the presets.
>>>> Select a preset, press enter.
>>>> Now, with each tab down, you find parameters for each of the plug's
>>>> presets.
>>>> There are edit boxes at your arrow keys to type new values into, or
>>>> sliders at your arrow keys to change values.
>>>>
>>>> Changes of effect values can be heard immediately.
>>>> There's no okay key to save changes of values, you can save them by
>>>> saving your project.
>>>> In Window-Eyes or NVDA, you don't need to press alt+down arrow in the
>>>> presets combo box; just press page down to display all the presets for
>>>> Reaper's included effects plugIns.
>>>>
>>>> As of now, actual automation of effects is still eluding us, unless you
>>>> do them from a control surface, which is entirely possible, but I think
>>>> you'll be impressed with how many presets, parameters and values you
>>>> can
>>>> access in Reaper.
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>> On 4/23/2012 8:28 AM, Calvin Botha wrote:
>>>>> Hay all. Just stumbled upon this list after Reaper caught my
>>>>> attention. I like reaper's speed and versitility but am still getting
>>>>> use to its opporations as i'm a sonar user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I was wondering if it is possible to access the automatable
>>>>> parameters of vst plug-ins from within reaper like in sonar's track
>>>>> inspector. This often solved many accessibility issues with many vst
>>>>> plug-ins.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who have never used sonar, the track inspector allowed you
>>>>> to see and edit the parameters of the current effect you had loaded.
>>>>> For example, if you had a reverb plug-in that supported automation and
>>>>> the interface wasn't jaws friendly, you could go to the inspector and
>>>>> scrole to, for example, pre-delay and change its value by using the
>>>>> plus and minus keys.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, is this possible in reaper?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ D at rkn3ss
>>>>>
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