[RWP] KeyMaps

[indigo]

Thanks, Derek, such a simple move!
Indigo L



On 4/10/2012 2:05 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
> pressing the applications key worked for me.
> I got a context menu, with enable as one of the options.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
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>> Thanks, Kerry.
>> I had basically discovered how to get an object, like the words No
>> Presets into focus
>> , then Move navigator object to mouse, and left click it at the number
>> pad.
>>
>> That will cause effects presets to appear in the presets combo box, if
>> Jim's page down doesn't do the trick.
>> I'm always trying to include NVDA into any solutions we find for
>> ReaAccess issues
>>
>> Would you please write out how you configure midi devices, with NVDA;
>> to get the word enabled, to appear after the names of midi devices in
>> Reaper's options/preferences?
>> I can't find any way to do that in either Jaws or Window-Eyes without
>> Route Jaws to PC, finding the unenabled midi device, right clicking it
>> at the number pad, then going back to the middle arrow keys and useing
>> the configure device dialog that appears there.
>>
>> An equivalent of That little peculiar move seems required for sighted
>> users also, but Roy turned me onto how to do it in Wineyes originally.
>> So, I know you can do equivalent moves In NVDA, please do a little
>> step by step tutorial on it for our wiki?
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>> On 4/9/2012 10:37 PM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>>> Object nav basically works like this:
>>> you start at the lowest level by default, insert 8 moves up by a level,
>>> insert 2 moves down.
>>> 4 and 6 are next and previous objects.
>>> To click on an object you first need to route the mouse to the current
>>> navigator object with nvda-numpad * or nvda+shift+f9 on the laptop.
>>>
>>> Object nav does not move the mouse like Jaws/we does, so the mouse does
>>> not move until you explicedly tell it too.
>>> You do this by hitting nvda-* or nvda+shift+f9
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards, Kerry.
>>> On 10/04/2012 3:34 AM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Really? shame on you for not reading my every word! <grin>
>>>>
>>>> Seems like, in NVDA and jaws both, you can just use alt+downArrow,
>>>> which is the default shortcut key for the object that opens the list.
>>>> May work in Wineyes too.
>>>> Then, that list actually opens, but you can't tell it iwth jaws. but,
>>>> if you use NVDA to browse the objects, at the next level down from the
>>>> comboBox, you will see all the presets listed. Again, not using
>>>> regular arrows, but NVDA's object browsing stuff. And, I'm sure there
>>>> is a way to set focus on the object you browse to, maybe
>>>> shift+inser+NumPad Minus. Not sure.
>>>>
>>>> I'm focused on jaws, so I'm not thinking much about NVDA, quite
>>>> honestly. I don't have any need to use it.
>>>> So, I'll let other's figure that out.
>>>> But, about the page down, my comment was that , in jaws, you can tab
>>>> to the presets comboBox, and then press page down, and the list will
>>>> open, and you will be placed at the bottom of the list.
>>>> Then, you can navigate the list as usual, hearing the preset change as
>>>> you use the arrow keys.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think I'm needlessly worrying about leaving alt+shift+brackets
>>>>> markers behind, no changes should remain if I exit Reaper without
>>>>> saving the Project, and probably escape is also removing unwanted
>>>>> selection markers.
>>>>>
>>>>> a while back somebody said that a solution to getting a selected
>>>>> portion of an audio track to play was to set it to loop, and then you
>>>>> could hear that selected portion by itself, but I haven't tested it
>>>>> yet.
>>>>> I also once found a shortcut: Go to beginning of loop, but can't find
>>>>> it now.
>>>>> I'm hoping that: setting the alt+shift+brackets; then setting the
>>>>> selected area to loop; then using: Go to beginning of loop will show
>>>>> where the first bracket marker is located, but I've got several
>>>>> missing pieces to this part of the jigsaw puzzle unaccounted for yet.
>>>>> smile.
>>>>> Also, when trying to understand how to remove No Presets from the
>>>>> effects presets box, I mistakenly thought alt+up or down arrows was
>>>>> displaying Presets, but I was only getting the selected track's
>>>>> volume up and down control that's available in both track view and
>>>>> effects routing page.
>>>>> alt+up/down arrows for volume, alt+left/right arrows for pan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only read snippets of your fix for No Presets in the effects
>>>>> presets list.
>>>>> Did you say that pressing page down while in the effects presets list
>>>>> causes the entire preset list to display, or did I mis understand
>>>>> that?
>>>>> In W-E and NVDA, I get no results from pressing page down while in
>>>>> the effects presets list.
>>>>> My only fix in W-E is to right or left click on PARAM, then press
>>>>> enter on Show Presets list F; then enter on Show in Track Controls.
>>>>> Then the entire list of presets displays on the arrow keys.
>>>>> Is this a difference in what Jaws and W-E are showing?
>>>>> I don't know how to cause presets to display in NVDA; because I can't
>>>>> click on PARAM.
>>>>> Somebody more skilled with NVDA will have to solve that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that, both in W-E and NVDA; pressing enter after tabbing to
>>>>> PARAM does not open the PARAM menu, I need to route to PC and left or
>>>>> right click there to open the Parem menu.
>>>>> I've still yet to learn the NVDA equivalent of Route to PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I press insert+dash; which moves to focus, and causes PAREM to show
>>>>> at the arrow keys, but I don't know how to perform an emulated mouse
>>>>> click on PARAM.
>>>>> esterday was a big treasure finding day for me in Reaper, when I
>>>>> finally got actual effects presets and values to show up.
>>>>> At least these JS effects seem very accessible.
>>>>> Today I'll load some classic third party effects, and hope all their
>>>>> presets and parameters show, with meaningful names.
>>>>> Thanks for everything,
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> Only way I know to remove the time selection is to press escape.
>>>>>> ReAccess will say something like selection removed, or something
>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>> I don't know of an easy way to tell if a selection is in place,
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>> something I would like to crack. I find it disconcerting not to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like, at one time, I had my jaws scripts showing the start and
>>>>>> end
>>>>>> of the selection on the braille display. But, I might be confused
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> that. It was several months ago, and I notice it isn't working
>>>>>> now, if
>>>>>> it ever was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for tracks, isn't there a way to unselect all tracks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:34 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with
>>>>>>> alt+shift+left and right brackets?
>>>>>>> I'm not sure how to detect them, if they're actually there but I'm
>>>>>>> just not finding them.
>>>>>>> I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without
>>>>>>> saving
>>>>>>> the project they'll not be there next time, but how, other than the
>>>>>>> edit menu undo, can I remove alt+shift+brackets?
>>>>>>> Also, is there a way you can think of to prevent endless track
>>>>>>> selections from being added to the undo menu?
>>>>>>> It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections before
>>>>>>> getting to
>>>>>>> the actual important error I want to undo.
>>>>>>> We need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use
>>>>>>>> capslock or
>>>>>>>> grauv.
>>>>>>>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose.
>>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto
>>>>>>>> start or
>>>>>>>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess
>>>>>>>> speaks the
>>>>>>>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad
>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the
>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>>>>>>>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the
>>>>>>>> selection at
>>>>>>>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>>>>>>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>>>>>>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>>>>>>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move
>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>> the timeline.
>>>>>>>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and
>>>>>>>>> stopped.
>>>>>>>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the
>>>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>>>>>>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>>>>>>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>>>>>>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with
>>>>>>>>> home/end and
>>>>>>>>> page up/down.
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>>>>>>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts
>>>>>>>>> to us.
>>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>>>>>>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>>>>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> selected portion to play.
>>>>>>>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> have done it.
>>>>>>>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program,
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>>>>>>>> always gets the same response.
>>>>>>>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I
>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a
>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>>>>>>>> little annoyances.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on
>>>>>>>>>> whether a
>>>>>>>>>> selection is active.
>>>>>>>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the
>>>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont'
>>>>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>>>>>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching
>>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this?
>>>>>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"
>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever's
>>>>>>>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end
>>>>>>>>>>> do in
>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it
>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>>>>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to
>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> to help
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are
>>>>>>>>>>>> captured by
>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key
>>>>>>>>>>>> strokes is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing
>>>>>>>>>>>> keystrokes
>>>>>>>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>>>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> general, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred
>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very
>>>>>>>>>>>> important to
>>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>>>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> way in
>>>>>>>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an
>>>>>>>>>>>> import
>>>>>>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> uses them
>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>>>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key
>>>>>>>>>>>> assignments,
>>>>>>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your
>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out
>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever two
>>>>>>>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. So,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how
>>>>>>>>>>>> to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use
>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed
>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the
>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>> hotkey
>>>>>>>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot
>>>>>>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this
>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt+shift+
>>>>>>>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected
>>>>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>>>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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