[RWP] KeyMaps

Tue Apr 10 14:05:21 EDT 2012

pressing the applications key worked for me.
I got a context menu, with enable as one of the options.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps


> Thanks, Kerry.
> I had basically discovered how to get an object, like the words No Presets 
> into focus
> , then Move navigator object to mouse, and left click it at the number 
> pad.
>
> That will cause effects presets to appear in the presets combo box, if 
> Jim's page down doesn't do the trick.
> I'm always trying to include NVDA into any solutions we find for ReaAccess 
> issues
>
> Would you please write out how you configure midi devices, with NVDA; to 
> get the word enabled, to appear after the names of midi devices in 
> Reaper's options/preferences?
> I can't find any way to do that in either Jaws or Window-Eyes without 
> Route Jaws to PC, finding the unenabled midi device, right clicking it at 
> the number pad, then going back to the middle arrow keys and useing the 
> configure device dialog that appears there.
>
> An equivalent of That little peculiar move seems required  for sighted 
> users also, but Roy turned me onto how to do it in Wineyes originally.
> So, I know you can do equivalent moves In NVDA, please do a little step by 
> step tutorial on it for our wiki?
> Thanks,
> Indigo L
> On 4/9/2012 10:37 PM, Kerry Hoath wrote:
>> Object nav basically works like this:
>> you start at the lowest level by default, insert 8 moves up by a level,
>> insert 2 moves down.
>> 4 and 6 are next and previous objects.
>> To click on an object you first need to route the mouse to the current
>> navigator object with nvda-numpad * or nvda+shift+f9 on the laptop.
>>
>> Object nav does not move the mouse like Jaws/we does, so the mouse does
>> not move until you explicedly tell it too.
>> You do this by hitting nvda-* or nvda+shift+f9
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards, Kerry.
>> On 10/04/2012 3:34 AM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Really? shame on you for not reading my every word! <grin>
>>>
>>> Seems like, in NVDA and jaws both, you can just use alt+downArrow,
>>> which is the default shortcut key for the object that opens the list.
>>> May work in Wineyes too.
>>> Then, that list actually opens, but you can't tell it iwth jaws. but,
>>> if you use NVDA to browse the objects, at the next level down from the
>>> comboBox, you will see all the presets listed. Again, not using
>>> regular arrows, but NVDA's object browsing stuff. And, I'm sure there
>>> is a way to set focus on the object you browse to, maybe
>>> shift+inser+NumPad Minus. Not sure.
>>>
>>> I'm focused on jaws, so I'm not thinking much about NVDA, quite
>>> honestly. I don't have any need to use it.
>>> So, I'll let other's figure that out.
>>> But, about the page down, my comment was that , in jaws, you can tab
>>> to the presets comboBox, and then press page down, and the list will
>>> open, and you will be placed at the bottom of the list.
>>> Then, you can navigate the list as usual, hearing the preset change as
>>> you use the arrow keys.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think I'm needlessly worrying about leaving alt+shift+brackets
>>>> markers behind, no changes should remain if I exit Reaper without
>>>> saving the Project, and probably escape is also removing unwanted
>>>> selection markers.
>>>>
>>>> a while back somebody said that a solution to getting a selected
>>>> portion of an audio track to play was to set it to loop, and then you
>>>> could hear that selected portion by itself, but I haven't tested it 
>>>> yet.
>>>> I also once found a shortcut: Go to beginning of loop, but can't find
>>>> it now.
>>>> I'm hoping that: setting the alt+shift+brackets; then setting the
>>>> selected area to loop; then using: Go to beginning of loop will show
>>>> where the first bracket marker is located, but I've got several
>>>> missing pieces to this part of the jigsaw puzzle unaccounted for yet.
>>>> smile.
>>>> Also, when trying to understand how to remove No Presets from the
>>>> effects presets box, I mistakenly thought alt+up or down arrows was
>>>> displaying Presets, but I was only getting the selected track's
>>>> volume up and down control that's available in both track view and
>>>> effects routing page.
>>>> alt+up/down arrows for volume, alt+left/right arrows for pan.
>>>>
>>>> I've only read snippets of your fix for No Presets in the effects
>>>> presets list.
>>>> Did you say that pressing page down while in the effects presets list
>>>> causes the entire preset list to display, or did I mis understand that?
>>>> In W-E and NVDA, I get no results from pressing page down while in
>>>> the effects presets list.
>>>> My only fix in W-E is to right or left click on PARAM, then press
>>>> enter on Show Presets list F; then enter on Show in Track Controls.
>>>> Then the entire list of presets displays on the arrow keys.
>>>> Is this a difference in what Jaws and W-E are showing?
>>>> I don't know how to cause presets to display in NVDA; because I can't
>>>> click on PARAM.
>>>> Somebody more skilled with NVDA will have to solve that.
>>>>
>>>> I notice that, both in W-E and NVDA; pressing enter after tabbing to
>>>> PARAM does not open the PARAM menu, I need to route to PC and left or
>>>> right click there to open the Parem menu.
>>>> I've still yet to learn the NVDA equivalent of Route to PC.
>>>>
>>>> I press insert+dash; which moves to focus, and causes PAREM to show
>>>> at the arrow keys, but I don't know how to perform an emulated mouse
>>>> click on PARAM.
>>>> esterday was a big treasure finding day for me in Reaper, when I
>>>> finally got actual effects presets and values to show up.
>>>> At least these JS effects seem very accessible.
>>>> Today I'll load some classic third party effects, and hope all their
>>>> presets and parameters show, with meaningful names.
>>>> Thanks for everything,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> Only way I know to remove the time selection is to press escape.
>>>>> ReAccess will say something like selection removed, or something
>>>>> like that.
>>>>> I don't know of an easy way to tell if a selection is in place,
>>>>> which is
>>>>> something I would like to crack. I find it disconcerting not to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like, at one time, I had my jaws scripts showing the start and
>>>>> end
>>>>> of the selection on the braille display. But, I might be confused 
>>>>> about
>>>>> that. It was several months ago, and I notice it isn't working now, if
>>>>> it ever was.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for tracks, isn't there a way to unselect all tracks?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with
>>>>>> alt+shift+left and right brackets?
>>>>>> I'm not sure how to detect them, if they're actually there but I'm
>>>>>> just not finding them.
>>>>>> I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without saving
>>>>>> the project they'll not be there next time, but how, other than the
>>>>>> edit menu undo, can I remove alt+shift+brackets?
>>>>>> Also, is there a way you can think of to prevent endless track
>>>>>> selections from being added to the undo menu?
>>>>>> It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections before getting 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the actual important error I want to undo.
>>>>>> We need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use
>>>>>>> capslock or
>>>>>>> grauv.
>>>>>>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose.
>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto
>>>>>>> start or
>>>>>>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
>>>>>>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess
>>>>>>> speaks the
>>>>>>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
>>>>>>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad
>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
>>>>>>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
>>>>>>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>>>>>>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>>>>>>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the
>>>>>>> selection at
>>>>>>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>>>>>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>>>>>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>>>>>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>>>>>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move
>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>> the timeline.
>>>>>>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>>>>>>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the
>>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>>>>>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is 
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>>>>>>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>>>>>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>>>>>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> page up/down.
>>>>>>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>>>>>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to 
>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>>>>>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>>>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>>>>>>>> selected portion to play.
>>>>>>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what 
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> have done it.
>>>>>>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program,
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>>>>>>> always gets the same response.
>>>>>>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I
>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a
>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>>>>>>> little annoyances.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on
>>>>>>>>> whether a
>>>>>>>>> selection is active.
>>>>>>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the
>>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont'
>>>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>>>>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching 
>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this?
>>>>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of 
>>>>>>>>>> whatever's
>>>>>>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>>>>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>>>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't
>>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to 
>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to help
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are
>>>>>>>>>>> captured by
>>>>>>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key
>>>>>>>>>>> strokes is
>>>>>>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing 
>>>>>>>>>>> keystrokes
>>>>>>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in
>>>>>>>>>>> general, a
>>>>>>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if
>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred
>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>>>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper
>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a
>>>>>>>>>>> way in
>>>>>>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an
>>>>>>>>>>> import
>>>>>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and
>>>>>>>>>>> uses them
>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key 
>>>>>>>>>>> assignments,
>>>>>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out
>>>>>>>>>>> whenever two
>>>>>>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. 
>>>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how
>>>>>>>>>>> to make
>>>>>>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we 
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, 
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>>>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the
>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>>>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot
>>>>>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this
>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since 
>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with
>>>>>>>>>>> alt+shift+
>>>>>>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>>>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected
>>>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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