[RWP] KeyMaps

indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Tue Apr 10 09:01:08 EDT 2012 

So in some posts you said alt+down arrow opens the preset list?
I open it now with page down, as you posted several times, but I believe 
alt plus down arrow will always lower the track's volume.
I'll go back and check exactly where I was when alt plus up/down arrows 
raise/lower volume, while alt plus left right arrows move the selected 
track's pan left and right.
Thanks,
Indigo L
the track

On 4/9/2012 3:34 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Really? shame on you for not reading my every word! <grin>
>
> Seems like, in NVDA and jaws both, you can just use alt+downArrow,
> which is the default shortcut key for the object that opens the list.
> May work in Wineyes too. Then, that list actually opens, but you
> can't tell it iwth jaws. but, if you use NVDA to browse the objects,
> at the next level down from the comboBox, you will see all the
> presets listed. Again, not using regular arrows, but NVDA's object
> browsing stuff. And, I'm sure there is a way to set focus on the
> object you browse to, maybe shift+inser+NumPad Minus. Not sure.
>
> I'm focused on jaws, so I'm not thinking much about NVDA, quite
> honestly. I don't have any need to use it. So, I'll let other's
> figure that out. But, about the page down, my comment was that , in
> jaws, you can tab to the presets comboBox, and then press page down,
> and the list will open, and you will be placed at the bottom of the
> list. Then, you can navigate the list as usual, hearing the preset
> change as you use the arrow keys.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com> Sent: Monday, April
> 09, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
>
>> I think I'm needlessly worrying about leaving alt+shift+brackets
>> markers behind, no changes should remain if I exit Reaper without
>> saving the Project, and probably escape is also removing unwanted
>> selection markers.
>>
>> a while back somebody said that a solution to getting a selected
>> portion of an audio track to play was to set it to loop, and then
>> you could hear that selected portion by itself, but I haven't
>> tested it yet. I also once found a shortcut: Go to beginning of
>> loop, but can't find it now. I'm hoping that: setting the
>> alt+shift+brackets; then setting the selected area to loop; then
>> using: Go to beginning of loop will show where the first bracket
>> marker is located, but I've got several missing pieces to this part
>> of the jigsaw puzzle unaccounted for yet. smile. Also, when trying
>> to understand how to remove No Presets from the effects presets
>> box, I mistakenly thought alt+up or down arrows was displaying
>> Presets, but I was only getting the selected track's volume up and
>> down control that's available in both track view and effects
>> routing page. alt+up/down arrows for volume, alt+left/right arrows
>> for pan.
>>
>> I've only read snippets of your fix for No Presets in the effects
>> presets list. Did you say that pressing page down while in the
>> effects presets list causes the entire preset list to display, or
>> did I mis understand that? In W-E and NVDA, I get no results from
>> pressing page down while in the effects presets list. My only fix
>> in W-E is to right or left click on PARAM, then press enter on Show
>> Presets list F; then enter on Show in Track Controls. Then the
>> entire list of presets displays on the arrow keys. Is this a
>> difference in what Jaws and W-E are showing? I don't know how to
>> cause presets to display in NVDA; because I can't click on PARAM.
>> Somebody more skilled with NVDA will have to solve that.
>>
>> I notice that, both in W-E and NVDA; pressing enter after tabbing
>> to PARAM does not open the PARAM menu, I need to route to PC and
>> left or right click there to open the Parem menu. I've still yet to
>> learn the NVDA equivalent of Route to PC.
>>
>> I press insert+dash; which moves to focus, and causes PAREM to show
>> at the arrow keys, but I don't know how to perform an emulated
>> mouse click on PARAM. esterday was a big treasure finding day for
>> me in Reaper, when I finally got actual effects presets and values
>> to show up. At least these JS effects seem very accessible. Today
>> I'll load some classic third party effects, and hope all their
>> presets and parameters show, with meaningful names. Thanks for
>> everything, Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Only way I know to remove the time selection is to press escape.
>>> ReAccess will say something like selection removed, or something
>>> like that. I don't know of an easy way to tell if a selection is
>>> in place, which is something I would like to crack. I find it
>>> disconcerting not to know.
>>>
>>> Seems like, at one time, I had my jaws scripts showing the start
>>> and end of the selection on the braille display. But, I might be
>>> confused about that. It was several months ago, and I notice it
>>> isn't working now, if it ever was.
>>>
>>> As for tracks, isn't there a way to unselect all tracks?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"
>>> <33indigo at charter.net> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>> <rwp at reaaccess.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with
>>>> alt+shift+left and right brackets? I'm not sure how to detect
>>>> them, if they're actually there but I'm just not finding them.
>>>> I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without
>>>> saving the project they'll not be there next time, but how,
>>>> other than the edit menu undo, can I remove
>>>> alt+shift+brackets? Also, is there a way you can think of to
>>>> prevent endless track selections from being added to the undo
>>>> menu? It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections
>>>> before getting to the actual important error I want to undo. We
>>>> need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
>>>> Thanks, Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use
>>>>> capslock or grauv. At the moment windows+left/right are
>>>>> performing no useful purpose. But, at the moment, havin those
>>>>> keys assigned to these actions, goto start or end of
>>>>> selection, what happens if there is no selection is that
>>>>> your cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays,
>>>>> ReAccess speaks the current position, but no motion occurs.
>>>>> This is actually pretty good since the actin I am requesting
>>>>> isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad Reaper doesn't make me pay
>>>>> for it by flying me to the start of the project. That is one
>>>>> bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that
>>>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances.
>>>>> I don't know about you, but I often forget the
>>>>> circumstances. Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy
>>>>> having those keys do nothing useful when nothing is
>>>>> selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it
>>>>> may have somethindo with whether your cursor is actually
>>>>> inside the selection at the time you start playback.
>>>>> Perhaps?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"
>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>> <rwp at reaaccess.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung
>>>>>> together, maybe with if; then; arguments. Maybe it's
>>>>>> ReaScript. that can do that. If not, then .sts extension
>>>>>> actions surely can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio
>>>>>> track a little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the
>>>>>> cursor to move along the timeline. Windows+left arrow went
>>>>>> back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped. Holding
>>>>>> Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the
>>>>>> recording. I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with
>>>>>> right/left arrows, but the measures spoken as the cursor
>>>>>> moved along them. You're right, a horizontal shortcut like
>>>>>> Windows+right arrow is more Intuitive to move along
>>>>>> horizontal tracks than a vertical move like home and end,
>>>>>> page up and down, but they're already assigned to do some
>>>>>> of what we need to move along the time line. I'll go back
>>>>>> and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>>>>>> page up/down. I wonder if the caps lock key or accent
>>>>>> graav; or tilda key can be used as modifiers?That would
>>>>>> offer a huge number of shortcuts to us. Window-Eyes 6.1 and
>>>>>> XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment; setting
>>>>>> bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause
>>>>>> only that selected portion to play. I thought I got it
>>>>>> once, but need to go back and pin down what might have done
>>>>>> it. It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly
>>>>>> written program, more like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so
>>>>>> that a single pressing of keys always gets the same
>>>>>> response. I'll need to document them, but I deal every day
>>>>>> with times I need to bang at a shortcut 2 or more times
>>>>>> before it finally gets a response. I haven't installed
>>>>>> version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those little
>>>>>> annoyances. Thanks, Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things,
>>>>>>> depending on whether a selection is active. When one is
>>>>>>> active, they move to the startt and end of the
>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But,
>>>>>>> I dont' see a way of making actions conditional. But,
>>>>>>> perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching
>>>>>>> multiple actions together, like a macro? Isn't there a
>>>>>>> ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>>>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo"
>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>>> <rwp at reaaccess.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21
>>>>>>> PM Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of
>>>>>>>> whatever's recorded on the track in focus, so after you
>>>>>>>> make a selection with alt+shift+ left and right
>>>>>>>> brackets, and you're somewhere within your selection,
>>>>>>>> do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers? I'm not much on
>>>>>>>> Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in Sonar
>>>>>>>> with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with
>>>>>>>> Sonar it might make it easier for some folks. What does
>>>>>>>> Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if
>>>>>>>> it isn't taken already. Just thoughts, Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read
>>>>>>>>> on for an interesting idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach
>>>>>>>>> to improving how the media explorer works. And, I've
>>>>>>>>> got something that seems to help anyway, and I'll be
>>>>>>>>> passing along a link to that in a few days. But, in
>>>>>>>>> working on that, I have discovered that there are
>>>>>>>>> lots of very strange irregularities regarding how key
>>>>>>>>> strokes are captured by reaper. Usually, the control
>>>>>>>>> that will receive your key strokes is the control
>>>>>>>>> that has focus. However, I have seen cases where
>>>>>>>>> this becomes not true. situations where reaper is
>>>>>>>>> capturing keystrokes before they get to jaws, so jaws
>>>>>>>>> never knows about them. Very irregular stuff. But,
>>>>>>>>> the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in
>>>>>>>>> general, a productivity enhancer, and an improvement
>>>>>>>>> in comfort. And, if reaper has an action that will
>>>>>>>>> apply, it is definitely a preferred solution to use
>>>>>>>>> the reaper action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very
>>>>>>>>> important to us, and can be used to do some of the
>>>>>>>>> same things that a jaws script might do. But, it has
>>>>>>>>> the advantage of being significantly more stable in
>>>>>>>>> this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>>>> reader independent. So, what if we started centrally
>>>>>>>>> accumulating a list of reaper action hotkey
>>>>>>>>> assignments that we all find useful, so we can all
>>>>>>>>> talk the same language about hot keys. ReAccess has
>>>>>>>>> already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way
>>>>>>>>> in which we can extend ReAccess. These keymaps are
>>>>>>>>> just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one
>>>>>>>>> file, and uses them exclusively. But, you should be
>>>>>>>>> able to open the reaper default keymap with a text
>>>>>>>>> editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments
>>>>>>>>> into your current settings. Of course, gut wrenching,
>>>>>>>>> religious arguments break out whenever two or more
>>>>>>>>> people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice.
>>>>>>>>> So, that will make it hard. But, if we could just
>>>>>>>>> figure out how to make the choice, and submit it to a
>>>>>>>>> growing common list, then we could all refer to the
>>>>>>>>> same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed
>>>>>>>>> assignment, we could add it to a central file that
>>>>>>>>> newbies could download. And, those of us on the list
>>>>>>>>> at the time could store them locally. Anybody think
>>>>>>>>> this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make
>>>>>>>>> sure the action doesn't already exist somewhere, and
>>>>>>>>> help make reasonable hotkey choices. Reaper and
>>>>>>>>> Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot keys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the
>>>>>>>>> ability to move directly to the start or end of a
>>>>>>>>> time selection. I find this action is handy when
>>>>>>>>> confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be. I propose
>>>>>>>>> windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow. I wanted
>>>>>>>>> to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since
>>>>>>>>> those are generally involved in selections. So, I
>>>>>>>>> would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection
>>>>>>>>> with alt+shift+ left and right bracket, that, if I
>>>>>>>>> move to the start of the time selection, with my new
>>>>>>>>> hotkey, then press space, the selected portion is all
>>>>>>>>> I hear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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