[RWP] Another fix for No Presets

Mon Apr 9 22:46:42 EDT 2012

This is a very strange control.  It looks like a comboBox.  But, when you do 
the alt+downArrow to open, the clas of the control changes to ComboLBox, 
which, I guess, means combo list box.  It is a nonstandard control, and 
treating it like a list box doesn't fix the problem.
They invented this irregular beast for a reason.  And, I feel quite sure 
we'll need to revisit this control, once we understand it better.
For the moment, enjoy your workarounds.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Another fix for No Presets

> yep, page down works to open the preset list, and of course ends up at the 
> bottom of the list as Jim said.
> anoying, but a work around I guess.
>
> Regards
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Another fix for No Presets
>
>
>> My apologies, Jim, I just went back and got your page down fix to work 
>> every time for both Jaws and Wineyes.
>> I couldn't get it to work for NVDA, but I managed to get that dreaded 
>> phrase: No Presets in focus; with insert plus dash; which is NVDA's move 
>> to focus, left clicked it; and although I was cast out of the effects 
>> routing page back to track view, when I went back to effects routing 
>> page, there in that combo box were all the presets, so NVDA can at least 
>> use some varient of my click on No Presets fix.
>> There may yet yet be a way for page down to fix NVDA,  I just don't know 
>> how yet.
>> Your page down  is for sure and certain the easiest fix for Jaws and 
>> Wineyes.
>> Now, I somehow need to understand why; when I tried page down repeatedly 
>> before, I never got the presets.
>> Very spooky mysterious this world, seems to be some kind of joke the 
>> universe is playing on me!
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2012 4:32 PM, indigo wrote:
>>> I just can't get page down to work, Jim.
>>> I was in Reaper 2 minutes ago with Jaws 13 demo, I inserted an empty
>>> track, pressed f, loaded ReaComp, and got No Presets right away.
>>> I pressed insert+dash; what is that, route Jaws to PC? fclicked on No
>>> Presets at the number pad, and there in that combo box was the culprit,
>>> choice 1, Reset To Factory Defaults, and choice 2, No Presets.
>>> If we could find a way for it to always choose choice 1, Reset To
>>> Factory Defaults, we wouldn't need to do any fancy footwork to get the
>>> presets.
>>> Since these are factory effects, apparently they need to be Reset to
>>> Factory Defaults before they're ready to use.
>>> Instead of our workarounds, we should understand why they are not
>>> getting what they need from the screenreaders.
>>> I'm trying to think if there's a setting in Wineyes to make it select
>>> the first of those choices, instead of the second.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hit enter on Reset to Factory Defaults and, as before, all the ReaComp
>>> presets are at the tab key.
>>> Every push of the tab key has an edit box at the arrow keys for a
>>> selection with the arrows, or a number to be typed in, etcetera.
>>> Looks like total access to me.
>>> I don't keep any third party plugs on this old machine, but I'll go and
>>> download a free plug somewhere, and see if it displays its parameters
>>> instantly, without voodoo work.
>>> I'll go back once more with Jaws 13 and learn if page down does anything
>>> while in the No Presets box.
>>> If not it must be partly a hardware issue, different on different
>>> computers, since you and I are both on XP.
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2012 3:39 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Yep, I think you're navigating there using the mouse, which will also
>>>> work.
>>>> But, the page down trick, if it works for you , is even quicker, 
>>>> because
>>>> you don't have to mouse around finding anything. Just tab to the
>>>> combobox, press page down, then arrow to the preset you like, or type
>>>> it's first letter, and you are rockin.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [RWP] Another fix for No Presets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In Wineyes, yet to be tested in Jaws, when in the effects combo box,
>>>>> is displaying No Presets, I went to my number pad, left clicked on the
>>>>> words No Presets, then arrowed down at the number pad and there is a
>>>>> wonderful stack of presets, with their associated values.
>>>>> I left clicked at the number pad on both preset names and values;
>>>>> which caused them to appear in an edit box at the middle arrow keys,
>>>>> where they can be up and down arrowed through and edited.
>>>>> After selecting a new value, hit enter and the new value appears at
>>>>> the number pad.
>>>>> Same for parameters with selections, click on the preset selection
>>>>> shown at the number pad, a list of selections appears at the middle
>>>>> arrow keys in the same edit box, arrow up or down to a selection, hit
>>>>> enter and the preset's new selection is shown at the number pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the method I will use in Wineyes, so much better for me than
>>>>> fooling with the PAREM menu, which also works, but this is so much
>>>>> simpler.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try it next in Jaws 13.
>>>>> I still have no idea how to get lists of parameters to appear at the
>>>>> number pad or elsewhere in NVDA.
>>>>> I verified Mario's suggestion.
>>>>> In NVDA, with PARAM at the tab key, I pressed the applications key and
>>>>> it immediately opened the param menu.
>>>>> I clicked on Show At Track Controls andpressed enter, and I got
>>>>> flitting glimpses of parameters and values at the same combo box that
>>>>> shows No Presets, but any presets or values disappeared immideately as
>>>>> soon as I arrow to them, so how to expose effect presets and values is
>>>>> still a puzzle for me in NVDA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, also in Wineyes, tabbing to PAREM and pressing the
>>>>> applications key opens the PAREM menu, easier than looking for the
>>>>> word PAREM and clicking on it at the number pad.
>>>>> Indigo L
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