[RWP] KeyMaps

Kerry Hoath khoath at gmail.com
Mon Apr 9 22:37:53 EDT 2012 

Object nav basically works like this:
you start at the lowest level by default, insert 8 moves up by a level, 
insert 2 moves down.
4 and 6 are next and previous objects.
To click on an object you first need to route the mouse to the current 
navigator object with nvda-numpad * or nvda+shift+f9 on the laptop.

Object nav does not move the mouse like Jaws/we does, so the mouse does 
not move until you explicedly tell it too.
You do this by hitting nvda-* or nvda+shift+f9
Hope this helps.

Regards, Kerry.
On 10/04/2012 3:34 AM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Really?  shame on you for not reading my every word! <grin>
>
> Seems like, in NVDA and jaws both, you can just use alt+downArrow, 
> which is the default shortcut key for the object that opens the list.  
> May work in Wineyes too.
> Then, that list actually opens, but you can't tell it iwth jaws.  but, 
> if you use NVDA to browse the objects, at the next level down from the 
> comboBox, you will see all the presets listed.  Again, not using 
> regular arrows, but NVDA's object browsing stuff.  And, I'm sure there 
> is a way to set focus on the object you browse to, maybe 
> shift+inser+NumPad Minus.  Not sure.
>
> I'm focused on jaws, so I'm not thinking much about NVDA, quite 
> honestly.  I don't have any need to use it.
> So, I'll let other's figure that out.
> But, about the page down, my comment was that , in jaws,  you can tab 
> to the presets comboBox, and then press page down, and the list will 
> open, and you will be placed at the bottom of the list.
> Then, you can navigate the list as usual, hearing the preset change as 
> you use the arrow keys.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
>
>> I think I'm needlessly worrying about leaving alt+shift+brackets 
>> markers behind, no changes should remain if I exit Reaper without 
>> saving the Project, and probably escape is also removing unwanted 
>> selection markers.
>>
>> a while back somebody said that a solution to getting a selected 
>> portion of an audio track to play was to set it to loop, and then you 
>> could hear that selected portion by itself, but I haven't tested it yet.
>> I also once found a shortcut: Go to beginning of loop, but can't find 
>> it now.
>> I'm hoping that: setting the alt+shift+brackets; then setting the 
>> selected area to loop; then using: Go to beginning of loop will show 
>> where the first bracket marker is located, but I've got several 
>> missing pieces to this part of the jigsaw puzzle unaccounted for yet. 
>> smile.
>>  Also, when trying to understand how to remove No Presets from the 
>> effects presets box, I mistakenly thought alt+up or down arrows was 
>> displaying Presets, but I was only getting the selected track's 
>> volume up and down control that's available in both track view and 
>> effects routing page.
>> alt+up/down arrows for volume, alt+left/right arrows for pan.
>>
>> I've only read snippets of your fix for No Presets in the effects 
>> presets list.
>> Did you say that pressing page down while in the effects presets list 
>> causes the entire preset list to display, or did I mis understand that?
>> In W-E and NVDA, I get no results from pressing page down while in 
>> the effects presets list.
>> My only fix in W-E is to right or left click on PARAM, then press 
>> enter on Show Presets list F; then enter on Show in Track Controls.
>> Then the entire list of presets displays on the arrow keys.
>> Is this a difference in what Jaws and W-E are showing?
>> I don't know how to cause presets to display in NVDA; because  I 
>> can't click on PARAM.
>> Somebody more skilled with NVDA will have to solve that.
>>
>> I notice that, both in W-E and NVDA;  pressing enter after tabbing to 
>> PARAM does not open the PARAM menu, I need to route to PC and left or 
>> right click there to open the Parem menu.
>> I've still yet to learn  the NVDA equivalent of Route to PC.
>>
>> I press insert+dash; which moves to focus, and causes PAREM to show 
>> at the arrow keys, but I don't know how to  perform an emulated mouse 
>> click on PARAM.
>> esterday was a big treasure finding day for me in Reaper, when I 
>> finally got actual effects presets and values to show up.
>> At least these JS effects seem very accessible.
>> Today I'll load some classic third party effects, and hope all their 
>> presets and parameters show, with meaningful names.
>> Thanks for everything,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Only way I know to remove the time selection is to press escape.
>>> ReAccess will say something like selection removed, or something 
>>> like that.
>>> I don't know of an easy way to tell if a selection is in place, 
>>> which is
>>> something I would like to crack. I find it disconcerting not to know.
>>>
>>> Seems like, at one time, I had my jaws scripts showing the start and 
>>> end
>>> of the selection on the braille display. But, I might be confused about
>>> that. It was several months ago, and I notice it isn't working now, if
>>> it ever was.
>>>
>>> As for tracks, isn't there a way to unselect all tracks?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with
>>>> alt+shift+left and right brackets?
>>>> I'm not sure how to detect them, if they're actually there but I'm
>>>> just not finding them.
>>>> I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without saving
>>>> the project they'll not be there next time, but how, other than the
>>>> edit menu undo, can I remove alt+shift+brackets?
>>>> Also, is there a way you can think of to prevent endless track
>>>> selections from being added to the undo menu?
>>>> It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections before getting to
>>>> the actual important error I want to undo.
>>>> We need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use 
>>>>> capslock or
>>>>> grauv.
>>>>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose. 
>>>>> But,
>>>>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto 
>>>>> start or
>>>>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
>>>>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess 
>>>>> speaks the
>>>>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
>>>>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad 
>>>>> Reaper
>>>>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
>>>>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is 
>>>>> that
>>>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
>>>>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>>>>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do 
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>>>>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the 
>>>>> selection at
>>>>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>>>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>>>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>>>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>>>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move 
>>>>>> along
>>>>>> the timeline.
>>>>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>>>>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the 
>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>>>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more
>>>>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>>>>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>>>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>>>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>>>>>> page up/down.
>>>>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>>>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>>>>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>>>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>>>>>> selected portion to play.
>>>>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might
>>>>>> have done it.
>>>>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>>>>> always gets the same response.
>>>>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I 
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a 
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>>>>> little annoyances.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on
>>>>>>> whether a
>>>>>>> selection is active.
>>>>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the 
>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont'
>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>>>>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? 
>>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>>>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>>>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within 
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it 
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't
>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems 
>>>>>>>>> to help
>>>>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are
>>>>>>>>> captured by
>>>>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key 
>>>>>>>>> strokes is
>>>>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in 
>>>>>>>>> general, a
>>>>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if 
>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred 
>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to
>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper
>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a 
>>>>>>>>> way in
>>>>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an 
>>>>>>>>> import
>>>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and 
>>>>>>>>> uses them
>>>>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your 
>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out 
>>>>>>>>> whenever two
>>>>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how 
>>>>>>>>> to make
>>>>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the
>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot
>>>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to
>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this 
>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that 
>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with 
>>>>>>>>> alt+shift+
>>>>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected
>>>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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