[RWP] Another fix for No Presets

Mon Apr 9 17:29:16 EDT 2012

yep, page down works to open the preset list, and of course ends up at the 
bottom of the list as Jim said.
anoying, but a work around I guess.

Regards
Colin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Another fix for No Presets

> My apologies, Jim, I just went back and got your page down fix to work 
> every time for both Jaws and Wineyes.
> I couldn't get it to work for NVDA, but I managed to get that dreaded 
> phrase: No Presets in focus; with insert plus dash; which is NVDA's move 
> to focus, left clicked it; and although I was cast out of the effects 
> routing page back to track view, when I went back to effects routing page, 
> there in that combo box were all the presets, so NVDA can at least use 
> some varient of my click on No Presets fix.
> There may yet yet be a way for page down to fix NVDA,  I just don't know 
> how yet.
> Your page down  is for sure and certain the easiest fix for Jaws and 
> Wineyes.
> Now, I somehow need to understand why; when I tried page down repeatedly 
> before, I never got the presets.
> Very spooky mysterious this world, seems to be some kind of joke the 
> universe is playing on me!
> Indigo L
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2012 4:32 PM, indigo wrote:
>> I just can't get page down to work, Jim.
>> I was in Reaper 2 minutes ago with Jaws 13 demo, I inserted an empty
>> track, pressed f, loaded ReaComp, and got No Presets right away.
>> I pressed insert+dash; what is that, route Jaws to PC? fclicked on No
>> Presets at the number pad, and there in that combo box was the culprit,
>> choice 1, Reset To Factory Defaults, and choice 2, No Presets.
>> If we could find a way for it to always choose choice 1, Reset To
>> Factory Defaults, we wouldn't need to do any fancy footwork to get the
>> presets.
>> Since these are factory effects, apparently they need to be Reset to
>> Factory Defaults before they're ready to use.
>> Instead of our workarounds, we should understand why they are not
>> getting what they need from the screenreaders.
>> I'm trying to think if there's a setting in Wineyes to make it select
>> the first of those choices, instead of the second.
>>
>>
>> I hit enter on Reset to Factory Defaults and, as before, all the ReaComp
>> presets are at the tab key.
>> Every push of the tab key has an edit box at the arrow keys for a
>> selection with the arrows, or a number to be typed in, etcetera.
>> Looks like total access to me.
>> I don't keep any third party plugs on this old machine, but I'll go and
>> download a free plug somewhere, and see if it displays its parameters
>> instantly, without voodoo work.
>> I'll go back once more with Jaws 13 and learn if page down does anything
>> while in the No Presets box.
>> If not it must be partly a hardware issue, different on different
>> computers, since you and I are both on XP.
>>
>> On 4/9/2012 3:39 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Yep, I think you're navigating there using the mouse, which will also
>>> work.
>>> But, the page down trick, if it works for you , is even quicker, because
>>> you don't have to mouse around finding anything. Just tab to the
>>> combobox, press page down, then arrow to the preset you like, or type
>>> it's first letter, and you are rockin.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:37 AM
>>> Subject: [RWP] Another fix for No Presets
>>>
>>>
>>>> In Wineyes, yet to be tested in Jaws, when in the effects combo box,
>>>> is displaying No Presets, I went to my number pad, left clicked on the
>>>> words No Presets, then arrowed down at the number pad and there is a
>>>> wonderful stack of presets, with their associated values.
>>>> I left clicked at the number pad on both preset names and values;
>>>> which caused them to appear in an edit box at the middle arrow keys,
>>>> where they can be up and down arrowed through and edited.
>>>> After selecting a new value, hit enter and the new value appears at
>>>> the number pad.
>>>> Same for parameters with selections, click on the preset selection
>>>> shown at the number pad, a list of selections appears at the middle
>>>> arrow keys in the same edit box, arrow up or down to a selection, hit
>>>> enter and the preset's new selection is shown at the number pad.
>>>>
>>>> This is the method I will use in Wineyes, so much better for me than
>>>> fooling with the PAREM menu, which also works, but this is so much
>>>> simpler.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try it next in Jaws 13.
>>>> I still have no idea how to get lists of parameters to appear at the
>>>> number pad or elsewhere in NVDA.
>>>> I verified Mario's suggestion.
>>>> In NVDA, with PARAM at the tab key, I pressed the applications key and
>>>> it immediately opened the param menu.
>>>> I clicked on Show At Track Controls andpressed enter, and I got
>>>> flitting glimpses of parameters and values at the same combo box that
>>>> shows No Presets, but any presets or values disappeared immideately as
>>>> soon as I arrow to them, so how to expose effect presets and values is
>>>> still a puzzle for me in NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, also in Wineyes, tabbing to PAREM and pressing the
>>>> applications key opens the PAREM menu, easier than looking for the
>>>> word PAREM and clicking on it at the number pad.
>>>> Indigo L
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