[RWP] Jim, Does this fix no presets?

[indigo]

Jim, when No Preset is displayed, did you notice something spoken about 
selection 2, or second selection?

When I looked at No Preset with Jaws 13, and routed jaws to PC, or maybe 
PC to jaws, you can see how competant I am in jaws, I found the first 
selection, which is: Reconfigure to Factory Defaults.
Well it was return,or reconfigure, or similar words.
If I clicked on that choice the presets displayed nicely, no problems.
Jaws 13 obviously sees things that Wineyes doesn't at times.
I generally like it, but if I stop learning Reaper and spend enough time 
learning Jaws well enough to benefit your scripts, I will lose all that 
time I could be making music.
I don't see any harm in our talking about how these screenreaders have 
shaped our ways of working all these years.
Contrary to what some folks think, they aren't actually religions that 
we can't discuss without fights. smile.
Coming out of Vocal-Eyes and dos, I never had any help from scripts.
So, I learned instead of solving access issues with scripts, to poke 
around for  another way, if I can't go straight through an issue, I'll 
dig under it, climb over it; slither around it, find another similar 
program without issues, whatever it takes to get it done.

Why can't they all be as sensible as old Sound Forge versions?

The new Window-Eyes scripts are a laugh, so far, no help at all.
I'll continue to look at Reaper with Jaws 13, for the insights it 
provides to other approaches to problems, but I don't know it well 
enough to work fast in it.
I was just now very impressed that it wasn't easy to find a JS effect or 
ReaComp, that produced the No Presets issue.
For most effects, Jaws 13 displayed all presets at the tab key, no need 
to use the infamous No Presets combo box, and the parameters edit box is 
2 tabs up above the preset selected with the tab key.

In Wineyes 6.1, With my workAround of left clicking the words No Presets 
everything immediately displays is in a list at the number pad, and 
edits go to the mid arrow keys, so it's back and forth from numpad to 
arrows, no need to tab.

It's six of one and half dozen of the other.
I hate leaving out NVDA in fixes, because it's the screenreader that 
doesn't cost a thousand bucks or more, but I can't comprehend how it 
substitutes for moves and info that's so easy for Jaws and Wineyes, when 
we reach over to the number pad.
I think I'm going to need to break down and read the NVDA manual. smile.
Indigo L




On 4/8/2012 11:49 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Indigo,
> It looks like that item, parameter lists,show in track controls, is a
> submenu, inside which you get to choose whether each of those parameters
> turns up in the track controls. Where ever that is.
>
> None of that affects the behavior of teh list comboBox here, if I
> understand you correctly.
>
> However, when focused on the presets ComboBox, I can just take the jaws
> cursor, mouse, down to place it on the phrase, User Presets, then switch
> back tot he pc cursor, and down arrow through the list just fine. It
> seems to be affected by the fact that the mouse is hovering there.
> So, it looks like there are lots of ways to finally get those lists
> open. I'm just not quite sure what it means.
> There is something else intended by that strange behavior, and I don't
> quite grok the significance of it.
> Why is it such a weird control?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:59 PM
> Subject: [RWP] Jim, Does this fix no presets?
>
>
>> Jim, I just looked at Reaper 4.21 with NVDA, and got the presets box
>> to either show No Presets, or sometimes show nothing.
>> In either case, a quick fix seems to be to hold the alt key while
>> arrowing up and down, and presets are spoken.
>> In Wineyes, on some effects I got all the presets showing, no problem
>> just arrowed up and down through them, but; on other presets I did get
>> No Presets.
>> However, as in NVDA; I seemed to be able to arrow to presets by
>> holding the alt key as I arrowed, then the words No Presets would pop
>> back up as soon as I let go of alt.
>> Then I remembered to left click on the word PARAM, which I find at my
>> number pad, and the parameters menu drops.
>> There are several interesting choices there, like midi learn,
>> automate;and others, but the one you want is called Show in Track
>> something, Click on that and No Presets disappears in the presets box,
>> and you can arrow up and down through presets, they are spoken, no
>> holding alt key required.
>> Let us know if it works, okay?
>> I'll go back and get the exact wording in that PARAM menu later.
>>
>> Indigo L
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