[RWP] KeyMaps
indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Mon Apr 9 07:31:30 EDT 2012
I think I'm needlessly worrying about leaving alt+shift+brackets markers
behind, no changes should remain if I exit Reaper without saving the
Project, and probably escape is also removing unwanted selection markers.
a while back somebody said that a solution to getting a selected portion
of an audio track to play was to set it to loop, and then you could hear
that selected portion by itself, but I haven't tested it yet.
I also once found a shortcut: Go to beginning of loop, but can't find it
now.
I'm hoping that: setting the alt+shift+brackets; then setting the
selected area to loop; then using: Go to beginning of loop will show
where the first bracket marker is located, but I've got several missing
pieces to this part of the jigsaw puzzle unaccounted for yet. smile.
Also, when trying to understand how to remove No Presets from the
effects presets box, I mistakenly thought alt+up or down arrows was
displaying Presets, but I was only getting the selected track's volume
up and down control that's available in both track view and effects
routing page.
alt+up/down arrows for volume, alt+left/right arrows for pan.
I've only read snippets of your fix for No Presets in the effects
presets list.
Did you say that pressing page down while in the effects presets list
causes the entire preset list to display, or did I mis understand that?
In W-E and NVDA, I get no results from pressing page down while in the
effects presets list.
My only fix in W-E is to right or left click on PARAM, then press enter
on Show Presets list F; then enter on Show in Track Controls.
Then the entire list of presets displays on the arrow keys.
Is this a difference in what Jaws and W-E are showing?
I don't know how to cause presets to display in NVDA; because I can't
click on PARAM.
Somebody more skilled with NVDA will have to solve that.
I notice that, both in W-E and NVDA; pressing enter after tabbing to
PARAM does not open the PARAM menu, I need to route to PC and left or
right click there to open the Parem menu.
I've still yet to learn the NVDA equivalent of Route to PC.
I press insert+dash; which moves to focus, and causes PAREM to show at
the arrow keys, but I don't know how to perform an emulated mouse click
on PARAM.
esterday was a big treasure finding day for me in Reaper, when I finally
got actual effects presets and values to show up.
At least these JS effects seem very accessible.
Today I'll load some classic third party effects, and hope all their
presets and parameters show, with meaningful names.
Thanks for everything,
Indigo L
On 4/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Only way I know to remove the time selection is to press escape.
> ReAccess will say something like selection removed, or something like that.
> I don't know of an easy way to tell if a selection is in place, which is
> something I would like to crack. I find it disconcerting not to know.
>
> Seems like, at one time, I had my jaws scripts showing the start and end
> of the selection on the braille display. But, I might be confused about
> that. It was several months ago, and I notice it isn't working now, if
> it ever was.
>
> As for tracks, isn't there a way to unselect all tracks?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
>
>> Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with
>> alt+shift+left and right brackets?
>> I'm not sure how to detect them, if they're actually there but I'm
>> just not finding them.
>> I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without saving
>> the project they'll not be there next time, but how, other than the
>> edit menu undo, can I remove alt+shift+brackets?
>> Also, is there a way you can think of to prevent endless track
>> selections from being added to the undo menu?
>> It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections before getting to
>> the actual important error I want to undo.
>> We need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use capslock or
>>> grauv.
>>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose. But,
>>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto start or
>>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
>>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess speaks the
>>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
>>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad Reaper
>>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
>>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that
>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
>>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do nothing
>>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>>
>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the selection at
>>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>>
>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move along
>>>> the timeline.
>>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the recording.
>>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, but
>>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more
>>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>>>> page up/down.
>>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>>>> selected portion to play.
>>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might
>>>> have done it.
>>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, more
>>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>>> always gets the same response.
>>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I need to
>>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a response.
>>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>>> little annoyances.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on
>>>>> whether a
>>>>> selection is active.
>>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the selection.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont'
>>>>> see a
>>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within your
>>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it might
>>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>> already.
>>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems to help
>>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are
>>>>>>> captured by
>>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key strokes is
>>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in general, a
>>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if reaper
>>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred solution
>>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to
>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk the
>>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way in
>>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and uses them
>>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your current
>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out whenever two
>>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how to make
>>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot
>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to
>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this action
>>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with alt+shift+
>>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected
>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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