[RWP] KeyMaps

indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Sun Apr 8 14:56:30 EDT 2012 

Well, depending on how you use Reaper, you may or may not find an 
advantage to the latest version, but I think it's faster loading, and 
gives no problem here.
That single work around ctrl+up arrow fixed the Applications key menu 
problem.

Indigo L


On 4/8/2012 8:31 AM, Derek Lane wrote:
> I'll definitely upgrade if that window bug is fixed.
> Its never been worth it for me to upgrade myself out of easy bug-free
> access.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
>
>> I now understad what I thought was an action from windows+right and
>> left arrows.
>> In WindowEyes I hear Custom Control.
>> In N V D A I hear what seems to be a status report on the track.
>> Windows +left arrow announces measure 1 stopped.
>> windows+right arrow begins reading all the measure numbers on the
>> track to the end.
>> I think it's just reading the numbers, the cursor isn't moving.
>> I get that same reading of the measures along the timeline in NVDA
>> with windows+down arrow, windows+up arrow gives something else, not
>> the same as windows+back arrow.
>>
>> ctrl+page up and down moves by beats instead of measures, but alt+page
>> up and down seems to toggle previous and next color theme.
>> I'm not sure if color themes will be useful, I haven't tried Wineyes
>> color attributes in Reaper yet.
>> Home and end jump from beginning to end of time line, but ctrl+end
>> seem to move by 1 measure 1 beat for the first press of the end key,
>> then by only 1 measure for subsequent presses.
>> Weird, huh?
>> I just got an interesting one in NVDA.
>> Dropping of the menu from the applications key is suppose to have been
>> broken since version 4, but in version 4.21 and NVDA I just held the
>> applications key and down arrowed and there's the elusive menu, nicely
>> opened without using ctrl+up arrow to unlock it.
>> I'll try that move in Jaws and Wineyes, it would save several key
>> strokes if it also works for them.
>>
>> Indigo L
>>
>> I got some kind of anouncement from alt+end key, don't know what it
>> means yet
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use capslock or
>>> grauv.
>>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose. But,
>>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto start or
>>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
>>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess speaks the
>>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
>>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad Reaper
>>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
>>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that
>>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
>>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do nothing
>>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>>
>>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the selection at
>>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>>
>>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move along
>>>> the timeline.
>>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the recording.
>>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, but
>>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more
>>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>>>> page up/down.
>>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>>>> selected portion to play.
>>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might
>>>> have done it.
>>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, more
>>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>>> always gets the same response.
>>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I need to
>>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a response.
>>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>>> little annoyances.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on
>>>>> whether a
>>>>> selection is active.
>>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the selection.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont'
>>>>> see a
>>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within your
>>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it might
>>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>> already.
>>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems to help
>>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are
>>>>>>> captured by
>>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key strokes is
>>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in general, a
>>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if reaper
>>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred solution
>>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to
>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen
>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk the
>>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way in
>>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and uses them
>>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your current
>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out whenever two
>>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how to make
>>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot
>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to
>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this action
>>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with alt+shift+
>>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected
>>>>>>> portion
>>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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