[RWP] KeyMaps

Derek Lane derek at pdaudio.net
Sun Apr 8 08:31:06 EDT 2012 

I'll definitely upgrade if that window bug is fixed.
Its never been worth it for me to upgrade myself out of easy bug-free 
access.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps


>I now understad what I thought was an action from windows+right and left 
>arrows.
> In WindowEyes I hear Custom Control.
> In N V D A I hear what seems to be a status report on the track.
> Windows +left arrow announces measure 1 stopped.
>  windows+right arrow begins reading all the measure numbers on the track 
> to the end.
> I think it's just reading the numbers, the cursor isn't moving.
> I get that same reading of the measures along the timeline in NVDA with 
> windows+down arrow, windows+up arrow gives something else, not the same as 
> windows+back arrow.
>
> ctrl+page up and down moves by beats instead of measures, but alt+page up 
> and down seems to toggle previous and next color theme.
> I'm not sure if color themes will be useful, I haven't tried Wineyes color 
> attributes in Reaper yet.
> Home and end jump from beginning to end of time line, but ctrl+end seem to 
> move by 1 measure 1 beat for the first press of the end key, then by only 
> 1 measure for subsequent presses.
> Weird, huh?
> I just got an interesting one in NVDA.
> Dropping of the menu from the applications key is suppose to have been 
> broken since version 4, but in version 4.21 and NVDA I just held the 
> applications key and down arrowed and there's the elusive menu, nicely 
> opened without using ctrl+up arrow to unlock it.
> I'll try that move in Jaws and Wineyes, it would save several key strokes 
> if it also works for  them.
>
> Indigo L
>
> I got some kind of anouncement from alt+end key, don't know what it means 
> yet
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use capslock or
>> grauv.
>> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose. But,
>> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto start or
>> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
>> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess speaks the
>> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
>> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad Reaper
>> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
>> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that
>> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
>> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
>> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do nothing
>> useful when nothing is selected.
>>
>> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
>> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the selection at
>> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>>> with if; then; arguments.
>>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>>
>>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move along
>>> the timeline.
>>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the recording.
>>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, but
>>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more
>>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>>> page up/down.
>>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>>> selected portion to play.
>>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might
>>> have done it.
>>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, more
>>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>>> always gets the same response.
>>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I need to
>>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a response.
>>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>>> little annoyances.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on whether 
>>>> a
>>>> selection is active.
>>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the selection.
>>>>
>>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont' see a
>>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>>>> like a possibility.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within your
>>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it might
>>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't taken
>>>>> already.
>>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving how
>>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems to help
>>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are captured by
>>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key strokes is
>>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in general, a
>>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if reaper
>>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred solution
>>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to us,
>>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen reader
>>>>>> independent.
>>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper action
>>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk the
>>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way in
>>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and uses them
>>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your current
>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out whenever two
>>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how to make
>>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could all
>>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the action
>>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot keys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to move
>>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this action
>>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those are
>>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with alt+shift+
>>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected portion
>>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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