[RWP] KeyMaps

Sun Apr 8 12:34:10 EDT 2012

Jim, can I ask how to remove selection markers you add with 
alt+shift+left and right brackets?
I'm not sure how to detect them, if they're actually there but I'm just 
not finding them.
I'm guessing that, if I have them in place when I exit without saving 
the project they'll not be there next time, but how, other than the edit 
menu undo, can I remove alt+shift+brackets?
Also, is there a way you can think of to prevent endless track 
selections from being added to the undo menu?
It's a royal pain to undo all those track selections before getting to 
the actual important error I want to undo.
We need a filter to keep those from going to the undo menu.
Thanks,
Indigo L

On 4/7/2012 10:32 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use capslock or
> grauv.
> At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose. But,
> at the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto start or
> end of selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your
> cursor doesn't go anywhere. The default beep plays, ReAccess speaks the
> current position, but no motion occurs. This is actually pretty good
> since the actin I am requesting isn't valid anyway. So, I'm glad Reaper
> doesn't make me pay for it by flying me to the start of the project.
> That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that
> hot keys do different things depending on the circumstances. I don't
> know about you, but I often forget the circumstances.
> Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do nothing
> useful when nothing is selected.
>
> Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have
> somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the selection at
> the time you start playback. Perhaps?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>
>
>> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe
>> with if; then; arguments.
>> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
>> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>>
>> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a
>> little while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move along
>> the timeline.
>> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
>> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the recording.
>> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, but
>> the measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
>> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more
>> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like
>> home and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do
>> some of what we need to move along the time line.
>> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and
>> page up/down.
>> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav; or tilda key can be
>> used as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>> Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment;
>> setting bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the
>> selected region and attempting to discover moves to cause only that
>> selected portion to play.
>> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might
>> have done it.
>> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, more
>> like Sound Forge 6; 7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys
>> always gets the same response.
>> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I need to
>> bang at a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a response.
>> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those
>> little annoyances.
>> Thanks,
>> Indigo L
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on whether a
>>> selection is active.
>>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the selection.
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont' see a
>>> way of making actions conditional.
>>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>>> actions together, like a macro?
>>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>>> like a possibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within your
>>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it might
>>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't taken
>>>> already.
>>>> Just thoughts,
>>>> Indigo L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving how
>>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems to help
>>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are captured by
>>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key strokes is
>>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in general, a
>>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if reaper
>>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred solution
>>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to us,
>>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen reader
>>>>> independent.
>>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper action
>>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk the
>>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way in
>>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and uses them
>>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your current
>>>>> settings.
>>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out whenever two
>>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how to make
>>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could all
>>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the action
>>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot keys.
>>>>>
>>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to move
>>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this action
>>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those are
>>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with alt+shift+
>>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected portion
>>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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