[RWP] KeyMaps

Sat Apr 7 22:32:27 EDT 2012

My guess is that, for sake of action hot keys, We can't use capslock or 
grauv.
At the moment windows+left/right are performing no useful purpose.  But, at 
the moment, havin those keys assigned to these actions, goto start or end of 
selection, what happens if there is no selection is that your cursor doesn't 
go anywhere.  The default beep plays, ReAccess speaks the current position, 
but no motion occurs.  This is actually pretty good since the actin I am 
requesting isn't valid anyway.  So, I'm glad Reaper doesn't make me pay for 
it by flying me to the start of the project.
That is one bad thing about the familiar sound forge paradigm, is that hot 
keys do different things depending on the circumstances.  I don't know about 
you, but I often forget the circumstances.
Anyway, at the moment, I'm not too unhappy having those keys do nothing 
useful when nothing is selected.

Indigo, about when Reaper will play the selection only, it may have 
somethindo with whether your cursor is actually inside the selection at the 
time you start playback.  Perhaps?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps

> Yes, I seem to remember that actions can be strung together, maybe with 
> if; then; arguments.
> Maybe it's ReaScript. that can do that.
> If not, then .sts extension actions surely can.
>
> I tried Windows Key plus right and left arrows on an audio track a little 
> while ago, and itseemed to just cause the cursor to move along the 
> timeline.
> Windows+left arrow went back to beginning of measure 1 and stopped.
> Holding Windows+right arrow fast forwards to the end of the recording.
> I heard, not the music; as when scrubbing with right/left arrows, but the 
> measures spoken as the cursor moved along them.
> You're right, a horizontal shortcut like Windows+right arrow is more 
> Intuitive to move along horizontal tracks than a vertical move like home 
> and end, page up and down, but they're already assigned to do some of what 
> we need to move along the time line.
> I'll go back and try all combinations of modifiers with home/end and page 
> up/down.
> I wonder if the caps lock key or accent graav;  or tilda key can be used 
> as modifiers?That would offer a huge number of shortcuts to us.
>  Window-Eyes 6.1 and XP, in Reaper 4.21, I tried your experiment; setting 
> bracketed markers, then positioning in the middle of the selected region 
> and attempting to discover moves to cause only that selected portion to 
> play.
> I thought I got it once, but need to go back and pin down what might have 
> done it.
> It's a shame that Reaper isn't quite a perfectly written program, more 
> like Sound Forge 6;  7; maybe 8; so that a single pressing of keys always 
> gets the same response.
> I'll need to document them, but I deal every day with times I need to bang 
> at  a shortcut 2 or more times before it finally gets a response.
> I haven't installed version 4.22 yet, maybe it fixes some of those little 
> annoyances.
> Thanks,
> Indigo L
>
>
> On 4/7/2012 6:22 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> In sound forge, home and end do different things, depending on whether a
>> selection is active.
>> When one is active, they move to the startt and end of the selection.
>>
>> I really like the idea of making them the same here. But, I dont' see a
>> way of making actions conditional.
>> But, perhaps there is a way. Isn't there a way of batching multiple
>> actions together, like a macro?
>> Isn't there a ReaScript, or some language like that behind this? Seems
>> like a possibility.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] KeyMaps
>>
>>
>>> Jim, Home and end keys take you to the start and end of whatever's
>>> recorded on the track in focus, so after you make a selection with
>>> alt+shift+ left and right brackets, and you're somewhere within your
>>> selection, do home and end still jump to beginning and end of the
>>> entire track and ignore your markers?
>>> I'm not much on Sonar shortcuts, but what does home and end do in
>>> Sonar with the various modifiers available?
>>>
>>> I don't know, but if there's a possible parallel with Sonar it might
>>> make it easier for some folks.
>>> What does Sound Forge use to go to start and end of selection?
>>> That might be an easy shortcut for Sound Forge users if it isn't taken
>>> already.
>>> Just thoughts,
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> This message is not just a jaws discussion, so read on for an
>>>> interesting idea.
>>>>
>>>> I have been messing with the jaws scripting approach to improving how
>>>> the media explorer works. And, I've got something that seems to help
>>>> anyway, and I'll be passing along a link to that in a few days.
>>>> But, in working on that, I have discovered that there are lots of
>>>> very strange irregularities regarding how key strokes are captured by
>>>> reaper. Usually, the control that will receive your key strokes is
>>>> the control that has focus. However, I have seen cases where this
>>>> becomes not true. situations where reaper is capturing keystrokes
>>>> before they get to jaws, so jaws never knows about them. Very
>>>> irregular stuff.
>>>> But, the creation of hotkeys to quickly do things is, in general, a
>>>> productivity enhancer, and an improvement in comfort. And, if reaper
>>>> has an action that will apply, it is definitely a preferred solution
>>>> to use the reaper action.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, it's apparent that reaper shortcuts are very important to us,
>>>> and can be used to do some of the same things that a jaws script
>>>> might do. But, it has the advantage of being significantly more
>>>> stable in this particular environment, andalso of being screen reader
>>>> independent.
>>>> So, what if we started centrally accumulating a list of reaper action
>>>> hotkey assignments that we all find useful, so we can all talk the
>>>> same language about hot keys.
>>>> ReAccess has already made lots of assignments. But, this is a way in
>>>> which we can extend ReAccess.
>>>> These keymaps are just formatted text files. It looks like an import
>>>> operation grabs all the key assignments from one file, and uses them
>>>> exclusively. But, you should be able to open the reaper default
>>>> keymap with a text editor, and insert additional key assignments,
>>>> thereby effectively merging those new assignments into your current
>>>> settings.
>>>> Of course, gut wrenching, religious arguments break out whenever two
>>>> or more people try to agree on an appropriate hot key choice. So,
>>>> that will make it hard. But, if we could just figure out how to make
>>>> the choice, and submit it to a growing common list, then we could all
>>>> refer to the same key strokes when we talk about how to use such
>>>> things, and the growing Wiki could reference them.
>>>> Once, general consensus seems to accept a proposed assignment, we
>>>> could add it to a central file that newbies could download. And,
>>>> those of us on the list at the time could store them locally.
>>>> Anybody think this is a good idea?
>>>>
>>>> The discussion of a proposed addition would help make sure the action
>>>> doesn't already exist somewhere, and help make reasonable hotkey
>>>> choices. Reaper and Reaccess is a land mine environment for hot keys.
>>>>
>>>> One pair of new actions I would like to assign is the ability to move
>>>> directly to the start or end of a time selection. I find this action
>>>> is handy when confirming that the selection exists, and that it is
>>>> set up the way I want it to be.
>>>> I propose windows+leftArrow and windows+right arrow.
>>>> I wanted to connected it to some form of bracet keys, since those are
>>>> generally involved in selections.
>>>> So, I would be ok with some choice like that too.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I still find that, once I make a time selection with alt+shift+
>>>> left and right bracket, that, if I move to the start of the time
>>>> selection, with my new hotkey, then press space, the selected portion
>>>> is all I hear.
>>>>
>>>>
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