[RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

Sun Oct 2 13:42:20 EDT 2011

Do you think that informing ivan of other efforts to make reaper accessible, 
and that people are willing to put backing behind an accessibility solution, 
provided the price was reasonable?
Do you think knowing this will move reaaccess up in the list of his 
priorities?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

> Back during the days of the first few builds of ReaAccess, Ivan was
> using Visual c++. Possibly outdated info, but it's the most recent
> hint I have here.
>
> One more person here that would be willing to contribute financially
> if some guarantees were put on the table. I'm not writing off
> ReaAccess 2.0 before it's released, just think that healthy
> competition and a more open environment can only be a good thing here.
>
> Scott
>
>
> On 10/1/11, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>> does anyone know what tools ivan used, and what the developers of sws 
>> use?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Shtupler" <shtupler at 013.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>
>>
>>> thanks very much; highly appreciate it.
>>> Visual Studio professional costs around $800; am looking for something
>>> cheaper which will still suffice for this project.
>>> will keep you posted.
>>> all the very best
>>> Roy.
>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brett" <brettsta21 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Hi Roy,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know any programming so couldn't help with that. But I would
>>>> definitely be willing to throw some money your way if you needed to
>>>> purchase something like visual studio. perhaps if a few others wanted 
>>>> to
>>>> jump on board as well, we could make it happen?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Brett.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/30/2011 11:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> I'd gladly do the programming part.
>>>>> am arranging some c++/vb developement tools with which it'll be 
>>>>> possible
>>>>>
>>>>> to compile/debug/build projects etc.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess if I felt comfortable myself in NVDA  and could get around
>>>>>> Reaper with it I would have thought of it, but you're right, NVDA 
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do fine; and be simpler to get, and wouldn't time out after 30 
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>> I don't think we can expect Tim of SWS to be our programmer, though,
>>>>>> just an adviser.
>>>>>> We must have someone with those skills among us; who would know 
>>>>>> what's
>>>>>> needed from our point of view
>>>>>> I wouldn't be the right one, since my problem is that I'm not
>>>>>> discontented with Reaper and ReaAccess as they are.
>>>>>> I work very simply in Reaper, I know that when I arrow up or down to 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> track it's selected, and I would resent the program speaking a
>>>>>> reminder; like, "You have selected track 1."
>>>>>> I'm always trying to disable verbosity in a program, that's why I 
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> work in NVDA; it's constantly babbling about what row and column I'm
>>>>>> on, and I don't care, I just wanta get on with my work in peace.
>>>>>> I'm curious, though, to learn how much work it would be to make minor
>>>>>> tweaks to ReaAccess with SWS code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aOn 9/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> even easier , point him to NVDA; no need for complex installations ,
>>>>>>> mirror drivers etc.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought of that, and think I will send Tim links to ReaAccess and
>>>>>>>> demos of Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>> I once had a program author who took a real interest in making his
>>>>>>>> program screenreader friendly, and actually checked out changes he
>>>>>>>> made with demo screenreaders, so he could see for himself how 
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> impacted screenreaders.
>>>>>>>> We may not run into them every day, but there are some real kind 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> considerate human beings out there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 2:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Have you pointed him to the actual dll?
>>>>>>>>> Maybe he would find reaaccess initially interesting for more than
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> us blindies, as he seemed to imply in his message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, list members, we have Tim Payne of Still Water Studios
>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>> with the possibility of extending ReaAccess into STS code, which 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> open source.
>>>>>>>>>> What that means is that if things do not go well for ReaAccess 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan's group, we can get into programming ReaAccess to suit our
>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>> Let's take a wait and see attitude at this point, since we may be
>>>>>>>>>> worrying for nothing and Ivan will come through yet with a great
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>> Even so, Jinseng has already used SWS code to correct problems in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> present version of ReaAccess, so apparently we could do both, use
>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess as developed by Ivan, plus tweak it with SWS code.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely not a programmer, so which of us is volunteering 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> RWP's SWS programmer in Chief?
>>>>>>>>>> Below is Tim's wonderfully kind response to my inquiry:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 10:57 AM, Tim Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Indigo,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I will do anything I can to help your community. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>> pass my contact info on to your group.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One possibility is the option of integrating ReaAccess into the
>>>>>>>>>>> SWS
>>>>>>>>>>> extension. The SWS project is open source and I welcome any and
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Indigo<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one among over 50 blind musicians now using Reaper, with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> help of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of control panel called ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for our communicating with the author of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian speaker with no English, and it's become uncertain
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> he will
>>>>>>>>>>>> do more updates for ReaAccess, which is still buggy and
>>>>>>>>>>>> incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the blind Reaper users has used your SWS script to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> things that didn't work in ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no programmer myself, but I love Reaper's simplicity and
>>>>>>>>>>>> friendliness,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I would hate to see access by blind musicians to Reaper bog
>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> With Reaper, ReaAccess, and any old computer it's now possible
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> time for a very poor musician anywhere in the world to produce
>>>>>>>>>>>> music, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like it, if possible, to stay affordible and to work well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the Russian programmer can't do more to bring ReaAccess up 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> date with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 4, do you think you could help with improving ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> your SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we can find a programmer in our user's group to do the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>> programming, do you think you could maybe provide some advice
>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck?
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'd appreciate help on any level at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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