[RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

Sat Oct 1 13:40:09 EDT 2011

I think you may be right,...I know that I haven't had any major 
problems with using system access with reaaccess, and reaper,...I just 
hope we can all work together to make a working program that we all can 
use, regardless of which screen reader we chooce to use...

Original message:
> I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure System Access  can interface in the 
> same way NVDA's API does, I.E. anything written to talk to NVDA will 
> work by default with System Access in the same way. I know Mike Calvo 
> is on this list, and he could comment further, but that is my understanding.

> On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:

>> will also ask Serotek if SystemAccess has any api or object model to 
>> interface with.
>> best
>> Roy.
>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
>> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>> I would be willing to contribute some financial help also,...I use 
>>> system access, I think if you make the software accessible with all of 
>>> the other screen readers, system access will certainly work...

>>> Original message:
>>>> Me too.
>>>> Indigo

>>>> On 10/1/2011 5:48 AM, Brett wrote:
>>>>> Hi Roy,

>>>>> I don't know any programming so couldn't help with that. But I would
>>>>> definitely be willing to throw some money your way if you needed to
>>>>> purchase something like visual studio. perhaps if a few others wanted to
>>>>> jump on board as well, we could make it happen?

>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Brett.

>>>>> On 9/30/2011 11:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> I'd gladly do the programming part.
>>>>>> am arranging some c++/vb developement tools with which it'll be
>>>>>> possible to compile/debug/build projects etc.
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>>> I guess if I felt comfortable myself in NVDA and could get around
>>>>>>> Reaper with it I would have thought of it, but you're right, NVDA
>>>>>>> would do fine; and be simpler to get, and wouldn't time out after 30
>>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>> I don't think we can expect Tim of SWS to be our programmer, though,
>>>>>>> just an adviser.
>>>>>>> We must have someone with those skills among us; who would know
>>>>>>> what's needed from our point of view
>>>>>>> I wouldn't be the right one, since my problem is that I'm not
>>>>>>> discontented with Reaper and ReaAccess as they are.
>>>>>>> I work very simply in Reaper, I know that when I arrow up or down to
>>>>>>> a track it's selected, and I would resent the program speaking a
>>>>>>> reminder; like, "You have selected track 1."
>>>>>>> I'm always trying to disable verbosity in a program, that's why I
>>>>>>> can't work in NVDA; it's constantly babbling about what row and
>>>>>>> column I'm on, and I don't care, I just wanta get on with my work in
>>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>>> I'm curious, though, to learn how much work it would be to make minor
>>>>>>> tweaks to ReaAccess with SWS code.

>>>>>>> aOn 9/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>> even easier , point him to NVDA; no need for complex installations ,
>>>>>>>> mirror drivers etc.
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>>>>> I thought of that, and think I will send Tim links to ReaAccess and
>>>>>>>>> demos of Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>>> I once had a program author who took a real interest in making his
>>>>>>>>> program screenreader friendly, and actually checked out changes he
>>>>>>>>> made with demo screenreaders, so he could see for himself how changes
>>>>>>>>> impacted screenreaders.
>>>>>>>>> We may not run into them every day, but there are some real kind and
>>>>>>>>> considerate human beings out there.

>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 2:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Have you pointed him to the actual dll?
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he would find reaaccess initially interesting for more than
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> us blindies, as he seemed to imply in his message

>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, list members, we have Tim Payne of Still Water Studios onboard
>>>>>>>>>>> with the possibility of extending ReaAccess into STS code, which is
>>>>>>>>>>> open source.
>>>>>>>>>>> What that means is that if things do not go well for ReaAccess from
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan's group, we can get into programming ReaAccess to suit our
>>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's take a wait and see attitude at this point, since we may be
>>>>>>>>>>> worrying for nothing and Ivan will come through yet with a great new
>>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>> Even so, Jinseng has already used SWS code to correct problems in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> present version of ReaAccess, so apparently we could do both, use
>>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess as developed by Ivan, plus tweak it with SWS code.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely not a programmer, so which of us is volunteering
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> RWP's SWS programmer in Chief?
>>>>>>>>>>> Below is Tim's wonderfully kind response to my inquiry:

>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 10:57 AM, Tim Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Indigo,

>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I will do anything I can to help your community. Please
>>>>>>>>>>>> pass my contact info on to your group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> One possibility is the option of integrating ReaAccess into the SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>> extension. The SWS project is open source and I welcome any and all
>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Indigo<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one among over 50 blind musicians now using Reaper, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of control panel called ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for our communicating with the author of ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian speaker with no English, and it's become uncertain whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do more updates for ReaAccess, which is still buggy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the blind Reaper users has used your SWS script to correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things that didn't work in ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no programmer myself, but I love Reaper's simplicity and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendliness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I would hate to see access by blind musicians to Reaper bog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Reaper, ReaAccess, and any old computer it's now possible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time for a very poor musician anywhere in the world to produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> music, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like it, if possible, to stay affordible and to work well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the Russian programmer can't do more to bring ReaAccess up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> date with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 4, do you think you could help with improving ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we can find a programmer in our user's group to do the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> programming, do you think you could maybe provide some advice when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'd appreciate help on any level at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo

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