[RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

Patrick Perdue patrick at pdaudio.net
Sat Oct 1 13:33:36 EDT 2011 

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure System Access  can interface in the same way NVDA's API does, I.E. anything written to talk to NVDA will work by default with System Access in the same way. I know Mike Calvo is on this list, and he could comment further, but that is my understanding.

On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:

> will also ask Serotek if SystemAccess has any api or object model to interface with.
> best
> Roy.
> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
> 
> 
>> I would be willing to contribute some financial help also,...I use system access, I think if you make the software accessible with all of the other screen readers, system access will certainly work...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Me too.
>>> Indigo
>> 
>>> On 10/1/2011 5:48 AM, Brett wrote:
>>>> Hi Roy,
>> 
>>>> I don't know any programming so couldn't help with that. But I would
>>>> definitely be willing to throw some money your way if you needed to
>>>> purchase something like visual studio. perhaps if a few others wanted to
>>>> jump on board as well, we could make it happen?
>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Brett.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 9/30/2011 11:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> I'd gladly do the programming part.
>>>>> am arranging some c++/vb developement tools with which it'll be
>>>>> possible to compile/debug/build projects etc.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I guess if I felt comfortable myself in NVDA and could get around
>>>>>> Reaper with it I would have thought of it, but you're right, NVDA
>>>>>> would do fine; and be simpler to get, and wouldn't time out after 30
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>> I don't think we can expect Tim of SWS to be our programmer, though,
>>>>>> just an adviser.
>>>>>> We must have someone with those skills among us; who would know
>>>>>> what's needed from our point of view
>>>>>> I wouldn't be the right one, since my problem is that I'm not
>>>>>> discontented with Reaper and ReaAccess as they are.
>>>>>> I work very simply in Reaper, I know that when I arrow up or down to
>>>>>> a track it's selected, and I would resent the program speaking a
>>>>>> reminder; like, "You have selected track 1."
>>>>>> I'm always trying to disable verbosity in a program, that's why I
>>>>>> can't work in NVDA; it's constantly babbling about what row and
>>>>>> column I'm on, and I don't care, I just wanta get on with my work in
>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>> I'm curious, though, to learn how much work it would be to make minor
>>>>>> tweaks to ReaAccess with SWS code.
>> 
>>>>>> aOn 9/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> even easier , point him to NVDA; no need for complex installations ,
>>>>>>> mirror drivers etc.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought of that, and think I will send Tim links to ReaAccess and
>>>>>>>> demos of Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>> I once had a program author who took a real interest in making his
>>>>>>>> program screenreader friendly, and actually checked out changes he
>>>>>>>> made with demo screenreaders, so he could see for himself how changes
>>>>>>>> impacted screenreaders.
>>>>>>>> We may not run into them every day, but there are some real kind and
>>>>>>>> considerate human beings out there.
>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 2:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Have you pointed him to the actual dll?
>>>>>>>>> Maybe he would find reaaccess initially interesting for more than
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> us blindies, as he seemed to imply in his message
>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, list members, we have Tim Payne of Still Water Studios onboard
>>>>>>>>>> with the possibility of extending ReaAccess into STS code, which is
>>>>>>>>>> open source.
>>>>>>>>>> What that means is that if things do not go well for ReaAccess from
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan's group, we can get into programming ReaAccess to suit our
>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>> Let's take a wait and see attitude at this point, since we may be
>>>>>>>>>> worrying for nothing and Ivan will come through yet with a great new
>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>> Even so, Jinseng has already used SWS code to correct problems in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> present version of ReaAccess, so apparently we could do both, use
>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess as developed by Ivan, plus tweak it with SWS code.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely not a programmer, so which of us is volunteering
>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>> RWP's SWS programmer in Chief?
>>>>>>>>>> Below is Tim's wonderfully kind response to my inquiry:
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 10:57 AM, Tim Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Indigo,
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I will do anything I can to help your community. Please
>>>>>>>>>>> pass my contact info on to your group.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> One possibility is the option of integrating ReaAccess into the SWS
>>>>>>>>>>> extension. The SWS project is open source and I welcome any and all
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Indigo<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one among over 50 blind musicians now using Reaper, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> help of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of control panel called ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for our communicating with the author of ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian speaker with no English, and it's become uncertain whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> he will
>>>>>>>>>>>> do more updates for ReaAccess, which is still buggy and
>>>>>>>>>>>> incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the blind Reaper users has used your SWS script to correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> things that didn't work in ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no programmer myself, but I love Reaper's simplicity and
>>>>>>>>>>>> friendliness,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I would hate to see access by blind musicians to Reaper bog
>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> With Reaper, ReaAccess, and any old computer it's now possible for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> time for a very poor musician anywhere in the world to produce
>>>>>>>>>>>> music, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like it, if possible, to stay affordible and to work well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the Russian programmer can't do more to bring ReaAccess up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> date with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 4, do you think you could help with improving ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> your SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we can find a programmer in our user's group to do the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>> programming, do you think you could maybe provide some advice when
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck?
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'd appreciate help on any level at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo
>> 
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