[RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

Sat Oct 1 12:58:06 EDT 2011

I'm not sure about that?,...I know, from a users point of view, that 
system access works very well with reaper, and reaaccess...

Original message:
> will also ask Serotek if SystemAccess has any api or object model to
> interface with.
> best
> Roy.
> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Brown" <cursebuster at samobile.net>
> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>> I would be willing to contribute some financial help also,...I use system
>> access, I think if you make the software accessible with all of the other
>> screen readers, system access will certainly work...

>> Original message:
>>> Me too.
>>> Indigo

>>> On 10/1/2011 5:48 AM, Brett wrote:
>>>> Hi Roy,

>>>> I don't know any programming so couldn't help with that. But I would
>>>> definitely be willing to throw some money your way if you needed to
>>>> purchase something like visual studio. perhaps if a few others wanted to
>>>> jump on board as well, we could make it happen?

>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Brett.

>>>> On 9/30/2011 11:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> I'd gladly do the programming part.
>>>>> am arranging some c++/vb developement tools with which it'll be
>>>>> possible to compile/debug/build projects etc.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>> I guess if I felt comfortable myself in NVDA and could get around
>>>>>> Reaper with it I would have thought of it, but you're right, NVDA
>>>>>> would do fine; and be simpler to get, and wouldn't time out after 30
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>> I don't think we can expect Tim of SWS to be our programmer, though,
>>>>>> just an adviser.
>>>>>> We must have someone with those skills among us; who would know
>>>>>> what's needed from our point of view
>>>>>> I wouldn't be the right one, since my problem is that I'm not
>>>>>> discontented with Reaper and ReaAccess as they are.
>>>>>> I work very simply in Reaper, I know that when I arrow up or down to
>>>>>> a track it's selected, and I would resent the program speaking a
>>>>>> reminder; like, "You have selected track 1."
>>>>>> I'm always trying to disable verbosity in a program, that's why I
>>>>>> can't work in NVDA; it's constantly babbling about what row and
>>>>>> column I'm on, and I don't care, I just wanta get on with my work in
>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>> I'm curious, though, to learn how much work it would be to make minor
>>>>>> tweaks to ReaAccess with SWS code.

>>>>>> aOn 9/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>> even easier , point him to NVDA; no need for complex installations ,
>>>>>>> mirror drivers etc.
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>>>> I thought of that, and think I will send Tim links to ReaAccess and
>>>>>>>> demos of Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>>> I once had a program author who took a real interest in making his
>>>>>>>> program screenreader friendly, and actually checked out changes he
>>>>>>>> made with demo screenreaders, so he could see for himself how
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> impacted screenreaders.
>>>>>>>> We may not run into them every day, but there are some real kind and
>>>>>>>> considerate human beings out there.

>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 2:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Have you pointed him to the actual dll?
>>>>>>>>> Maybe he would find reaaccess initially interesting for more than
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> us blindies, as he seemed to imply in his message

>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

>>>>>>>>>> Okay, list members, we have Tim Payne of Still Water Studios
>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>> with the possibility of extending ReaAccess into STS code, which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> open source.
>>>>>>>>>> What that means is that if things do not go well for ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Ivan's group, we can get into programming ReaAccess to suit our
>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>> Let's take a wait and see attitude at this point, since we may be
>>>>>>>>>> worrying for nothing and Ivan will come through yet with a great
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>> Even so, Jinseng has already used SWS code to correct problems in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> present version of ReaAccess, so apparently we could do both, use
>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess as developed by Ivan, plus tweak it with SWS code.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely not a programmer, so which of us is volunteering
>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>> RWP's SWS programmer in Chief?
>>>>>>>>>> Below is Tim's wonderfully kind response to my inquiry:

>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 10:57 AM, Tim Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Indigo,

>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I will do anything I can to help your community.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>> pass my contact info on to your group.

>>>>>>>>>>> One possibility is the option of integrating ReaAccess into the
>>>>>>>>>>> SWS
>>>>>>>>>>> extension. The SWS project is open source and I welcome any and
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim

>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Indigo<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one among over 50 blind musicians now using Reaper, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> help of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of control panel called ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for our communicating with the author of
>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian speaker with no English, and it's become uncertain
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> he will
>>>>>>>>>>>> do more updates for ReaAccess, which is still buggy and
>>>>>>>>>>>> incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the blind Reaper users has used your SWS script to
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> things that didn't work in ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no programmer myself, but I love Reaper's simplicity and
>>>>>>>>>>>> friendliness,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I would hate to see access by blind musicians to Reaper bog
>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> With Reaper, ReaAccess, and any old computer it's now possible
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> time for a very poor musician anywhere in the world to produce
>>>>>>>>>>>> music, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like it, if possible, to stay affordible and to work well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the Russian programmer can't do more to bring ReaAccess up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> date with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 4, do you think you could help with improving ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> your SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we can find a programmer in our user's group to do the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>> programming, do you think you could maybe provide some advice
>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck?
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'd appreciate help on any level at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo

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