[RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

Sat Oct 1 10:11:45 EDT 2011

Myself also.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess

> Me too.
> Indigo
>
> On 10/1/2011 5:48 AM, Brett wrote:
>> Hi Roy,
>>
>> I don't know any programming so couldn't help with that. But I would
>> definitely be willing to throw some money your way if you needed to
>> purchase something like visual studio. perhaps if a few others wanted to
>> jump on board as well, we could make it happen?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brett.
>>
>>
>> On 9/30/2011 11:26 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> I'd gladly do the programming part.
>>> am arranging some c++/vb developement tools with which it'll be
>>> possible to compile/debug/build projects etc.
>>> cheers
>>> Roy.
>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>> I guess if I felt comfortable myself in NVDA and could get around
>>>> Reaper with it I would have thought of it, but you're right, NVDA
>>>> would do fine; and be simpler to get, and wouldn't time out after 30
>>>> minutes.
>>>> I don't think we can expect Tim of SWS to be our programmer, though,
>>>> just an adviser.
>>>> We must have someone with those skills among us; who would know
>>>> what's needed from our point of view
>>>> I wouldn't be the right one, since my problem is that I'm not
>>>> discontented with Reaper and ReaAccess as they are.
>>>> I work very simply in Reaper, I know that when I arrow up or down to
>>>> a track it's selected, and I would resent the program speaking a
>>>> reminder; like, "You have selected track 1."
>>>> I'm always trying to disable verbosity in a program, that's why I
>>>> can't work in NVDA; it's constantly babbling about what row and
>>>> column I'm on, and I don't care, I just wanta get on with my work in
>>>> peace.
>>>> I'm curious, though, to learn how much work it would be to make minor
>>>> tweaks to ReaAccess with SWS code.
>>>>
>>>> aOn 9/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> even easier , point him to NVDA; no need for complex installations ,
>>>>> mirror drivers etc.
>>>>> best
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought of that, and think I will send Tim links to ReaAccess and
>>>>>> demos of Jaws and Window-Eyes.
>>>>>> I once had a program author who took a real interest in making his
>>>>>> program screenreader friendly, and actually checked out changes he
>>>>>> made with demo screenreaders, so he could see for himself how changes
>>>>>> impacted screenreaders.
>>>>>> We may not run into them every day, but there are some real kind and
>>>>>> considerate human beings out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 2:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>>>>> Have you pointed him to the actual dll?
>>>>>>> Maybe he would find reaaccess initially interesting for more than
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> us blindies, as he seemed to imply in his message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] SWS for Augmenting ReaAccess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, list members, we have Tim Payne of Still Water Studios 
>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>> with the possibility of extending ReaAccess into STS code, which is
>>>>>>>> open source.
>>>>>>>> What that means is that if things do not go well for ReaAccess from
>>>>>>>> Ivan's group, we can get into programming ReaAccess to suit our
>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>> Let's take a wait and see attitude at this point, since we may be
>>>>>>>> worrying for nothing and Ivan will come through yet with a great 
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>> Even so, Jinseng has already used SWS code to correct problems in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> present version of ReaAccess, so apparently we could do both, use
>>>>>>>> ReaAccess as developed by Ivan, plus tweak it with SWS code.
>>>>>>>> I'm definitely not a programmer, so which of us is volunteering
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> RWP's SWS programmer in Chief?
>>>>>>>> Below is Tim's wonderfully kind response to my inquiry:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2011 10:57 AM, Tim Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Indigo,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, I will do anything I can to help your community. Please
>>>>>>>>> pass my contact info on to your group.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One possibility is the option of integrating ReaAccess into the 
>>>>>>>>> SWS
>>>>>>>>> extension. The SWS project is open source and I welcome any and 
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> contributions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Indigo<33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm one among over 50 blind musicians now using Reaper, with the
>>>>>>>>>> help of a
>>>>>>>>>> sort of control panel called ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for our communicating with the author of ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>> he's a
>>>>>>>>>> Russian speaker with no English, and it's become uncertain 
>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>> he will
>>>>>>>>>> do more updates for ReaAccess, which is still buggy and
>>>>>>>>>> incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>> One of the blind Reaper users has used your SWS script to correct
>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>> things that didn't work in ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm no programmer myself, but I love Reaper's simplicity and
>>>>>>>>>> friendliness,
>>>>>>>>>> and I would hate to see access by blind musicians to Reaper bog
>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>> With Reaper, ReaAccess, and any old computer it's now possible 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>>>> time for a very poor musician anywhere in the world to produce
>>>>>>>>>> music, and
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like it, if possible, to stay affordible and to work well.
>>>>>>>>>> If the Russian programmer can't do more to bring ReaAccess up to
>>>>>>>>>> date with
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper 4, do you think you could help with improving ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> your SWS
>>>>>>>>>> scripts?
>>>>>>>>>> If we can find a programmer in our user's group to do the actual
>>>>>>>>>> programming, do you think you could maybe provide some advice 
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>> stuck?
>>>>>>>>>> We'd appreciate help on any level at all,
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Indigo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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