[RWP] routing the metronome in reaper?

[Indigo]

I used my SR16 back in the ninetys, Colin, so it's been too long to 
remember where the slave mode slash receive midi clock is, but it should 
be found in a section titled either midi or system.
I guess it'll require  sighted help to locate the first time, but those 
Alesis units are rock steady as to 1 button push equals 1 move of the 
curser, so, once learned, you can run all of it by yourself for sure.

You know, I'm wondering why your drummer wouldn't need to hear both the 
metronome and your keyboard playing?
I always thought drummers respond not only to the exact beat, but also 
to what the other instruments around them are doing.
I have a drummer friend who goes to a laid back rhythm, just the right 
amount behind the metronome beat when it's musically appropriate in 
quiet gentle passages, then goes to a pushing beat, a little ahead of 
the beat when more emotion is needed.
If that's true of your drummer, , you could just amplify the Reaper 
metronome and your keyboard sound together and feed that to the drummer, 
so he could respond to both.
Just a thought,
Regards,
Indigo


On 7/22/2011 8:55 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
> excellent.
> Ok, I set the UM1G, which is the USB to midi interface I'm using. I
> don't have midi out on the sound card, to clok out. It wasn't turned on
> by default.
>
> I connected Midi out on the UM1g box to the roland XP50, then connected
> the through jack on the xp50 to the input jack on the sr-16.
> I now am getting the sr-16 to start at the right tempo when I hit play
> in reaper.
> The metronome isn't turned on in the sr-16, so it is just using whatever
> drum preset/kit it is sitting on, but it's playing in sync with the
> sequence.
> Do you remember how to turn on the metronome and set the rhythm on the
> SR-16?
> I've set the sr-16 to factory defaults by turning it on while holding
> the play and erase buttons.
> Yes, the drum machine does have midi through-output.
> So I suspect it isn't vital where it is in the chain as long as it is
> receiving clock info from reaper.
> I haven't turned on the play back pre-count yet to see if clock info is
> sent at that point.
> I have the sr16 manual in pdf, but as usual, it shows button press
> sequences in graphics, so I don't know what buttons to press to get into
> the metronome mode or how to set the rhythm/click sound etc.
> thanks very much for the assistance. I'm almost there finally.
>
> regards
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] routing the metronome in reaper?
>
>
>> My Reaper is on another computer, so I don't know its specific
>> wording, but I think nothing would play in Reaper because external
>> time synchronization would make Reaper the slave, to be synchronized
>> externally, which you don't want in this case, since nothing is
>> sending midi clock to Reaper.
>> There should be another Reaper setting to send out midi clock, but it
>> might be already on by default.
>>
>> These gadgets are either transmitters or receivers of synchronizing
>> clock.
>> I used a SR16 for years, and knew it completely, but now I forget
>> whether it has only a midi in, or maybe midi out and midi through as
>> well.
>> If it has midi through, you can put it in the midi chain ahead of your
>> keyboard, and all midi messages will be sent to the keyboard.
>>
>>
>> On 7/22/2011 7:19 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
>>> oh, I just remembered. I checked the box in the project settings window
>>> to set external time syncronization or something like that...but when
>>> that box is checked, nothing will play.
>>> perhaps I have to turn on another setting though.
>>> But I've got the jist of it now so I'll go back and play some more.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Colin
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] routing the metronome in reaper?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I get to options in Reaper by hitting F6, then arrowing left to
>>>> Options, then selecting preferences.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite sure where the setting for sending out midi clock, or
>>>> midi time code, or midi sync, all names for the same thing, more or
>>>> less.
>>>> When I'm looking for settings in Reaper's preferences, I go to the
>>>> number pad in Winize, arrow down to a topic, like midi, then I go to
>>>> the tab key and tab through the selections.
>>>> I don't have any hardware gear synced to Reaper, so I don't know if
>>>> midi clock out is the default setting for Reaper or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope any of this helps,
>>>> Indigo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/22/2011 5:34 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>> Reaper will send out midi time code from midi out jacks of your sound
>>>>> card.
>>>>> Just look in Reaper's options to be sure that midi time code, also
>>>>> called midi clock, is being sent.
>>>>> If you only have a single midi out jack on your sound card, and you
>>>>> are
>>>>> already connecting that out jack to another piece of hardware gear, if
>>>>> that gear has a midi through jack, connect the midi through to the
>>>>> midi
>>>>> in jack of your SR16, and it will be synchronized to Reaper's tempo,
>>>>> also to start and stop commands sent to Reaper.
>>>>> To get a click from the SR16, for the drummer to hear, you can set the
>>>>> SR16 to sound its metronome while it is either in play or record mode.
>>>>> On 7/22/2011 4:53 PM, colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know how to set and send a midi time code?
>>>>>> any pointers?
>>>>>> I'm really new at all the MIDI stuff, even though it's an old
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>> Essentially, in QWS, this is what I think is happening.
>>>>>> When the metronome in QWS is set to send out to the UM1g, it's
>>>>>> transmitting a Midi time code to the SR16, which then plays that time
>>>>>> code...you can set the MIDI key number in QWS as well to tell the
>>>>>> SR16
>>>>>> what kind of sound to play.
>>>>>> I want to do this in reaper, but obviously I'll have to manually
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> the MIDI time code and put that into the sequence.
>>>>>> Is this done using a Midi event or what?
>>>>>> I understand that I need to create some sort of event, or
>>>>>> something, so
>>>>>> that tempo and key number can be automatically sent out to the SR16
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> any midi file or sequence loaded into reaper.
>>>>>> I could program this for each file as well if I had to. The idea
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> have syncronized starts and stops, and automated tempo to the sr16 so
>>>>>> that one can just hit the space bar in reaper, and the drummer
>>>>>> gets a 2
>>>>>> bar preroll, at the correct tempo that matches the sequence file.
>>>>>> any pointers on how to get started with a MIDI time code in reaper
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be appreciated.
>>>>>> I'd rather use the much more powerful reaper than quick windows
>>>>>> sequencer or some other lesser program.
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:03 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] routing the metronome in reaper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand, why send a click track to the SR-16?
>>>>>>> why not just send plain old midi time code to the SR-16, then set
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> SR-16's metronome to sound, so the drummer can hear it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/22/2011 4:37 AM, colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey All:
>>>>>>>> ok, here's the background:
>>>>>>>> I'm trying to use an alices SR-16 drum machine as a click track
>>>>>>>> device,
>>>>>>>> for the drummer, while running Midi sequences in Reaper. What I
>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>> happen is to have reaper send the metronome with tempo
>>>>>>>> information, via
>>>>>>>> Midi, out to the SR-16, as a click track.
>>>>>>>> The rest of the instruments in the sequence are routed to a yamaha
>>>>>>>> XP50.
>>>>>>>> I'm using an UM1G USB to Midi interface with one midi out, and one
>>>>>>>> midi in.
>>>>>>>> I've got the UM1G's output connected to the input of the SR-16, and
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> i'm going from the output of the SR16 out to the Yamaha XP50
>>>>>>>> keyboard/sequencer.
>>>>>>>> The SR-16 will only reproduce drum sounds, from channel 10, so
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> why I've got it first, then the sequencer daisy chained off that.
>>>>>>>> There are no latency issues whatsoever, the SR-16, xp50 and the
>>>>>>>> metronome in reaper are all in sink and so on. Much better than
>>>>>>>> microsoft GS wavetable BTW.
>>>>>>>> However, I can't seem to find how to route the Metronome click
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> produced by reaper, out to another device.
>>>>>>>> I can do it in quick windows sequencer, but not in reaper it would
>>>>>>>> seem.
>>>>>>>> In QWS, in the metronome settings, it gives an option as to which
>>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>> to send the metronome click track to. That option doesn't seem to
>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>> in reapers metronome settings.
>>>>>>>> In QWS, if I set the metrnome port to the UM1G, the click track
>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>>>> through the SR-16 just fine...mute the sequenced drums, and I've
>>>>>>>> got a
>>>>>>>> great click track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, if anyone knows how to send reapers metronome to a specific
>>>>>>>> port or
>>>>>>>> device, I'd really appreciate a bit of direction.
>>>>>>>> I've searched a bunch of terms in the action list and haven't
>>>>>>>> come up
>>>>>>>> with anything.
>>>>>>>> With all tracks assigned to the UM1G device, the metronome still
>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>>>> out of the soundcard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>
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