[RWP] midi controller

Jim Snowbarger Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com
Wed Aug 17 23:01:34 EDT 2011 

Yes, I think it is lined up pretty well on playback.
It's just the monitoring that is almost useless.

I dropped back to 3.77 for now.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller


> exactly why I haven't bothered switching.
> if you don't moniter the midi itself, just that which comes from your 
> keyboard, does everything line up on playback?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>
>
>> It is much larger than the audio delay.
>> I would estimate the audio delay here at about 50ms, without having 
>> played with any buffering or latency settings.
>> This should not require any buffering.  It is just a one byte midi note 
>> on message, going form my keyboard, though midi, to the PC, then being 
>> echoed back out a midi port to an external sound module.
>> This shouldn't have anything to do with buffering audio, unless somebody 
>> is tryint to play some games like you maybe suggest in lining the midi 
>> delays up with audio.  But, if you play the keyboard this way, and listen 
>> to the sound module lagging behind you like that, it really messes you 
>> up. <grin>
>>
>> Now that I've switched to reaper 4, I can no longer get the correct 
>> context menues to appear, probaby connected with the invalid track handle 
>> problem.
>> Ah yes, the bleeding edge of technology.
>> Do you feel yourself bleeding?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>
>>
>>> is this delay equal to or greater than the delay you get when you 
>>> moniter audio?
>>> Just curious if, reaper in its infinent wisdum is trying to keep 
>>> everything in sync.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>>
>>>
>>>> This was a very helpful post, and lead to a major step forward for me.
>>>> I now can record and playback midi. The trick, for me, was the options, 
>>>> preferences dialog, midi devices.  Oddly, this midi devices item was 
>>>> hidden when the audio tree node was collapsed.  Would you look under 
>>>> audio for midi stuff?  Unless you expand audio, you won't see that one.
>>>>
>>>> Well, there it was.  And, in the tab list for Midi devices, you don't 
>>>> get any clues that there is one panel for input, and a separate panel 
>>>> for output.
>>>> Indigo's suggestion to mouse around for it is the only way to get 
>>>> there. Anbd, once you set focus on the section you want, using the 
>>>> mouse cursor, JAWS, at least, will lie to you about whetehr a device is 
>>>> enabled or disabled.  Reviewing with the mouse cursor seems to tell the 
>>>> truth.
>>>> Double clicking on the item lets you tab to a checkbox that will enable 
>>>> it.
>>>> Once I got both input and output enabled, I could arm recording with 
>>>> monitoring, and could hear midi coming out the back side.
>>>>
>>>> But, here's the weird thing. There is about 200 milliceconds of 
>>>> latency. Once I strike the note on the keyboard, I can wait at least 
>>>> 200ms for the note to come out the back end and hit my sound module
>>>> It is a very, very noticeable, intolerable, even annoying, delay.
>>>> What the heck is that all about.
>>>> Buffering? for midi?  come now.
>>>> Maybe I need a faster computer  <big grin>
>>>> Or, perish the thought, do you suppose I need to use shorter midi 
>>>> cables?
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any ideas what causes the delay?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>> I realize it's only beginner's luck how easily I got Reaper Midi 
>>>>> Devices enabled, but here's how I do it:
>>>>> This is in Winize, you'll have to translate to Jaws equivalents, okay.
>>>>> I'll refer to the arrow keys below the 8 pack as T cluster arrows, and 
>>>>> otherwise just say arrow when I'm at the number pad.
>>>>> In options/preferences,
>>>>> If I go over to the number pad and arrow down line by line from the 
>>>>> top of the screen, I find the topics as follows: General, Paths, 
>>>>> keyboard, project, defaults, audio, device, midi devices.
>>>>> At the number pad,I left click on the topic midi devices.
>>>>>  Then, tab  down to Midi input devices to make available.
>>>>> For me that tab always says no selected item, even when I have devices 
>>>>> enabled.
>>>>> Then, when I arrow down with the T cluster arrows I immediately find a 
>>>>> list of my midi input devices
>>>>> with their name, the number of the midi port, and their mode, either 
>>>>> enabled or disabled.
>>>>> The procedure, to enable these devices is coming in a second.
>>>>> Meanwhile, if I continue to tab down I next find add joystick midi, 
>>>>> then another tab down and I find  midi outputs to make available, 
>>>>> which, for me will also say no sselected item.
>>>>> Okay, enabling either midi input or output devices is exactly the same 
>>>>> procedure.
>>>>> In winize, with my midi devices's name speaking at the T cluster arrow 
>>>>> keys, I route mouse pointer to list view, jaws has a similar move to 
>>>>> get that midi input devices list focus over to the number pad.
>>>>> At the number pad I arrow up or down and make sure I'm on the name of 
>>>>> my midi device, then right click at the number pad.
>>>>> I get a context menu, I arrow down with the T cluster arrows to 
>>>>> configure inputs C and hit enter.At the tab key I get enable input 
>>>>> with a check box, and at the next tab down I get enable input for 
>>>>> control messages, also with a check box.
>>>>> Put a check in both of these boxes with the space bar, tab down to 
>>>>> okay and hit enter, and you've enabled your midi input device.
>>>>> Do the same for your other midi input devices, and the same for midi 
>>>>> output devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> There might be an easier way, but I know this works, I record midi 
>>>>> with no problems, control soft synth parameters from my control 
>>>>> surface, etcetera.
>>>>> I only wish I had half as much luck with Sonar 8.5.3.
>>>>> Indigo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/11/2011 10:14 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> I have an old Mark of the unicorn Fast lane midi output device. It 
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> great with sonar.
>>>>>> Actually, I have never managed to make midi work at all with reaper.
>>>>>> Congratulations to those of you who have.
>>>>>> Following the options preferences path, I have both channels on the 
>>>>>> midi
>>>>>> device enabled.
>>>>>> So, I create a track.
>>>>>> Focused on the track, I presss tab, and get to record mode. Up and 
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> arrow reveal, among other things midi replace, midi overdub, midi
>>>>>> output. Not sure what midi output does. But, one of the others seems
>>>>>> applicable. So, I choose midi replace.
>>>>>> Continuing to tab across, I see midi output set to fast lane port A,
>>>>>> which seems correct.
>>>>>> But, escaping back to the track, then shift+context key, and arrowing 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> to Midi output, reveals none, or another midi output device that I 
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> want to use. Fast lane is not in the list. Not sure why.
>>>>>> And, if I arm the track, with monitor enabled, it is in audio mode, 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> midi.
>>>>>> Is this interface an inscrutible, nonintuitive pain in the ass or 
>>>>>> what.
>>>>>> Help desperately needed.
>>>>>> Suggestions welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I go to options/preferences/midi devices/ either input or output.
>>>>>>> I tab down a little to output device, or whatever it's called, which
>>>>>>> always seems to say not selected until I arrow down and get the 
>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>> to be spoken, then go through the usual enabling procedure.
>>>>>>> In Winize the enabling procedure is a bit complex.
>>>>>>> I find the device at the number pad, right click it, tab down to
>>>>>>> configure, hit enter, then arrow down to enable, then I think it's 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> usual apply and okay buttons to hit enter on.
>>>>>>> I'm just taking this off the top of my head, without having Reaper 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this computer to look at, but that's the general idea of the 
>>>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2011 9:51 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I solved the folder problem I was having with reaper,...Now, I 
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> like to know where I need to go to select the midi controller so I 
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> record some midi tracks?...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the previous version of reaper there was a dropdown menu that 
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> let you select the "midi out controller", such as my "Motif Sx", 
>>>>>>>> but it
>>>>>>>> seems that option is no longer availible?...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have all of the "midi ins", and "midi outs" enabled in
>>>>>>>> preferences,...So just how do I go about selecting my motif as the 
>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>> controller so I can record midi??...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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