[RWP] midi controller

Derek Lane derek at pdaudio.net
Wed Aug 17 02:58:09 EDT 2011 

exactly why I haven't bothered switching.
if you don't moniter the midi itself, just that which comes from your 
keyboard, does everything line up on playback?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller


> It is much larger than the audio delay.
> I would estimate the audio delay here at about 50ms, without having played 
> with any buffering or latency settings.
> This should not require any buffering.  It is just a one byte midi note on 
> message, going form my keyboard, though midi, to the PC, then being echoed 
> back out a midi port to an external sound module.
> This shouldn't have anything to do with buffering audio, unless somebody 
> is tryint to play some games like you maybe suggest in lining the midi 
> delays up with audio.  But, if you play the keyboard this way, and listen 
> to the sound module lagging behind you like that, it really messes you up. 
> <grin>
>
> Now that I've switched to reaper 4, I can no longer get the correct 
> context menues to appear, probaby connected with the invalid track handle 
> problem.
> Ah yes, the bleeding edge of technology.
> Do you feel yourself bleeding?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>
>
>> is this delay equal to or greater than the delay you get when you moniter 
>> audio?
>> Just curious if, reaper in its infinent wisdum is trying to keep 
>> everything in sync.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>
>>
>>> This was a very helpful post, and lead to a major step forward for me.
>>> I now can record and playback midi. The trick, for me, was the options, 
>>> preferences dialog, midi devices.  Oddly, this midi devices item was 
>>> hidden when the audio tree node was collapsed.  Would you look under 
>>> audio for midi stuff?  Unless you expand audio, you won't see that one.
>>>
>>> Well, there it was.  And, in the tab list for Midi devices, you don't 
>>> get any clues that there is one panel for input, and a separate panel 
>>> for output.
>>> Indigo's suggestion to mouse around for it is the only way to get there. 
>>> Anbd, once you set focus on the section you want, using the mouse 
>>> cursor, JAWS, at least, will lie to you about whetehr a device is 
>>> enabled or disabled.  Reviewing with the mouse cursor seems to tell the 
>>> truth.
>>> Double clicking on the item lets you tab to a checkbox that will enable 
>>> it.
>>> Once I got both input and output enabled, I could arm recording with 
>>> monitoring, and could hear midi coming out the back side.
>>>
>>> But, here's the weird thing. There is about 200 milliceconds of latency. 
>>> Once I strike the note on the keyboard, I can wait at least 200ms for 
>>> the note to come out the back end and hit my sound module
>>> It is a very, very noticeable, intolerable, even annoying, delay.
>>> What the heck is that all about.
>>> Buffering? for midi?  come now.
>>> Maybe I need a faster computer  <big grin>
>>> Or, perish the thought, do you suppose I need to use shorter midi 
>>> cables?
>>>
>>> Anybody have any ideas what causes the delay?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>> I realize it's only beginner's luck how easily I got Reaper Midi 
>>>> Devices enabled, but here's how I do it:
>>>> This is in Winize, you'll have to translate to Jaws equivalents, okay.
>>>> I'll refer to the arrow keys below the 8 pack as T cluster arrows, and 
>>>> otherwise just say arrow when I'm at the number pad.
>>>> In options/preferences,
>>>> If I go over to the number pad and arrow down line by line from the top 
>>>> of the screen, I find the topics as follows: General, Paths, keyboard, 
>>>> project, defaults, audio, device, midi devices.
>>>> At the number pad,I left click on the topic midi devices.
>>>>  Then, tab  down to Midi input devices to make available.
>>>> For me that tab always says no selected item, even when I have devices 
>>>> enabled.
>>>> Then, when I arrow down with the T cluster arrows I immediately find a 
>>>> list of my midi input devices
>>>> with their name, the number of the midi port, and their mode, either 
>>>> enabled or disabled.
>>>> The procedure, to enable these devices is coming in a second.
>>>> Meanwhile, if I continue to tab down I next find add joystick midi, 
>>>> then another tab down and I find  midi outputs to make available, 
>>>> which, for me will also say no sselected item.
>>>> Okay, enabling either midi input or output devices is exactly the same 
>>>> procedure.
>>>> In winize, with my midi devices's name speaking at the T cluster arrow 
>>>> keys, I route mouse pointer to list view, jaws has a similar move to 
>>>> get that midi input devices list focus over to the number pad.
>>>> At the number pad I arrow up or down and make sure I'm on the name of 
>>>> my midi device, then right click at the number pad.
>>>> I get a context menu, I arrow down with the T cluster arrows to 
>>>> configure inputs C and hit enter.At the tab key I get enable input with 
>>>> a check box, and at the next tab down I get enable input for control 
>>>> messages, also with a check box.
>>>> Put a check in both of these boxes with the space bar, tab down to okay 
>>>> and hit enter, and you've enabled your midi input device.
>>>> Do the same for your other midi input devices, and the same for midi 
>>>> output devices.
>>>>
>>>> There might be an easier way, but I know this works, I record midi with 
>>>> no problems, control soft synth parameters from my control surface, 
>>>> etcetera.
>>>> I only wish I had half as much luck with Sonar 8.5.3.
>>>> Indigo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/11/2011 10:14 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> I have an old Mark of the unicorn Fast lane midi output device. It 
>>>>> works
>>>>> great with sonar.
>>>>> Actually, I have never managed to make midi work at all with reaper.
>>>>> Congratulations to those of you who have.
>>>>> Following the options preferences path, I have both channels on the 
>>>>> midi
>>>>> device enabled.
>>>>> So, I create a track.
>>>>> Focused on the track, I presss tab, and get to record mode. Up and 
>>>>> down
>>>>> arrow reveal, among other things midi replace, midi overdub, midi
>>>>> output. Not sure what midi output does. But, one of the others seems
>>>>> applicable. So, I choose midi replace.
>>>>> Continuing to tab across, I see midi output set to fast lane port A,
>>>>> which seems correct.
>>>>> But, escaping back to the track, then shift+context key, and arrowing 
>>>>> up
>>>>> to Midi output, reveals none, or another midi output device that I 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> want to use. Fast lane is not in the list. Not sure why.
>>>>> And, if I arm the track, with monitor enabled, it is in audio mode, 
>>>>> not
>>>>> midi.
>>>>> Is this interface an inscrutible, nonintuitive pain in the ass or 
>>>>> what.
>>>>> Help desperately needed.
>>>>> Suggestions welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:53 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] midi controller
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I go to options/preferences/midi devices/ either input or output.
>>>>>> I tab down a little to output device, or whatever it's called, which
>>>>>> always seems to say not selected until I arrow down and get the 
>>>>>> device
>>>>>> to be spoken, then go through the usual enabling procedure.
>>>>>> In Winize the enabling procedure is a bit complex.
>>>>>> I find the device at the number pad, right click it, tab down to
>>>>>> configure, hit enter, then arrow down to enable, then I think it's 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> usual apply and okay buttons to hit enter on.
>>>>>> I'm just taking this off the top of my head, without having Reaper on
>>>>>> this computer to look at, but that's the general idea of the 
>>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/10/2011 9:51 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> OK,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I solved the folder problem I was having with reaper,...Now, I would
>>>>>>> like to know where I need to go to select the midi controller so I 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> record some midi tracks?...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the previous version of reaper there was a dropdown menu that 
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> let you select the "midi out controller", such as my "Motif Sx", but 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> seems that option is no longer availible?...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have all of the "midi ins", and "midi outs" enabled in
>>>>>>> preferences,...So just how do I go about selecting my motif as the 
>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>> controller so I can record midi??...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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