[RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer

Wed May 26 15:28:58 EDT 2010

Absolutely!  ooh if only I could show you the project I just finished, it'd 
amuse some, confuse others, but definitely prove the power of reaper when 
combined with a bit of hardware.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer


> Calvo for president! Keep us posted Mike, this is great news.
>
>
> On 5/26/10, Mike Calvo Yesterday Today and Forever Ministries
> <mike at mikecalvo.com> wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> Great news! I have finally heard from Justin Frankel today! I have had
>> Matt Campbell our lead developer contact him and I will post our
>> progress as possible.
>>
>> I think we have finally gotten our breakthrough!
>> Mike
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Derek,
>>
>>> Schwa, one of the key Reaper developers acknowledged a bug report that
>>> Ivan filed on the forum some months ago. As far as I know those bugs
>>> were also fixed, and that's when Ivan gave us working anouncements of
>>> armed/unarmed states, the ability to speak which tracks in a session
>>> were muted and soloed and suchlike. So they know we're here, they know
>>> Ivan was working on a plugin for blind users, but to my knowledge
>>> that's as deep as it goes. I'm very aware that this is starting to
>>> sound like a bizarre DAW-based myth about creators and aliens lol.
>>
>>> Going on the silence that Mike and the Serotek crew are experiencing,
>>> and the silence I received some months ago when I attempted contact
>>> several times, I'd say working alongside them might be a way off. From
>>> watching their activity on the forum though I don't think this is down
>>> to any bad intentions, my guess is that They're just super, super busy
>>> trying to keep their heads above water everyday, and can't think about
>>> anything else yet.
>>
>>> Having said that, I'd 100% prefer the approach of working with Reaper
>>> devs than using a DAW written specifically for screen reader users. No
>>> offence intended Jinseng, you know that it's very rare that we
>>> disagree bud, but in my experience of working with/for sighted people
>>> in studios and live recordings, they want to know that their music is
>>> going through something industry standard before they'll trust you to
>>> make judgements for them. Reaper is not an industry standard, but it
>>> has gotten people curious here because of it's speed and powerful
>>> actions, so when they've left the studio to research it they'll
>>> instantly see the hundreds of positive reviews from the big name
>>> magazines and the fanatical users on the forum. A DAW coded
>>> specifically for us just couldn't generate that media buz and be seen
>>> as cool or "up and coming" by a wider audience I don't think, and
>>> being able to secure that trusting relationship with a client can make
>>> or break a session. So for home use you certainly have a point, but
>>> out in the field it's important for us to be using mainstream products
>>> I think.
>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Scott
>>
>>> On 5/26/10, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm really loving all the new discoveries made in reaper, and I
>>>> personally
>>>> hope we can colaberate with the reaper team.  I wonder  if they are 
>>>> even
>>>> awair that this side project exists?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <jinseng at yandex.ru>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>
>>
>>>>> Thank you, Scott, you are absolutely right, Reaper plugins and 
>>>>> ReaAccess
>>>>> are written with C++.
>>>>> I'd like to add a few words about DAW for VIP. Seems, there is some
>>>>> experience in Linux named Ardour. And we have QWS, BME and Midim which
>>>>> are
>>
>>>>> excelent for MIDI and are  created for blind persons. there are C++ 
>>>>> and
>>>>> Python. So may be it's time for new try to be independent musicians 
>>>>> with
>>>>> new DAW?
>>>>> Keep on, folks!
>>
>>>>> 26.05.10, 12:21, "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>:
>>
>>>>>> Hey Roy,
>>
>>>>>>  I'm not Jinseng obviously, but can answer your questions this time.
>>
>>>>>>  There's still been no word from Ivan to anyone. I know he used 
>>>>>> Visual
>>>>>>  C++ to compile the ReaAccess DLL files, the Reaper SDK seems to be 
>>>>>> C++
>>>>>>  based.
>>
>>>>>>  Hth
>>>>>>  Scott
>>
>>>>>>  On 5/25/10, Roy Shtupler  wrote:
>>>>>>> anything new regarding the developement of ReaAccess?
>>>>>>> can you please ask Ivan which programming environment does he use to
>>>>>> write
>>>>>>> the code? (ms visual studio , Eclipse , etc).
>>>>>>> thanks alot
>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, i have just the same problem of media explorer in Reaper 3.52
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Jaws 11. Although it's a little bit easier due to mouse cursor,
>>>>>>>> nevertheless the situation is anoying. Reaper has already made some
>>>>>>>> troubles for visually impaired users 3 or 4 times before. So may be
>>>>>> we are
>>
>>>>>>>> waited for some bad changes again. Let me say, we would be calm 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> somebody make DAW especially for blind musicians, something for us,
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> all accessible areas and actions, with keyboard commands and 
>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>> advantages we need. There guys n RWP list who could start this 
>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>> project, aren't they?
>>>>>>>> Best wishes!
>>
>>>>>>>> 25.05.10, 19:12, "Derek Lane" :
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce with both jaws and NVDA.  Its a shaim as well
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>  the media explorer is critical for importing files with tempo 
>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>  and deciding if the project data or that in the file to be 
>>>>>>>>> imported
>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>  From: "Hrvoje Katic"
>>>>>>>>>  To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to Reaper 3.52 and I'm using Reaper with latest
>>>>>>>>> ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>> and NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in this new upgrade, there are even worse focus
>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> media explorer than with previous Reaper versions. Previously I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>> to focus Media Explorer by pressing Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> Shift+Tab, and then Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow once again and then
>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>> navigate the files list. However, in this new release there's no
>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> focus a list of files except by using the physical mouse, and
>>>>>> once I
>>>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>> list, NVDA doesn't read items in a list, and I can't go to the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>>> by using Home and End keys. Also when I press Backspace to go to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> previous folder, the focus is lost again and returned to a track
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, I can't use Tab key to go to other media explorer
>>>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>>>>> anymore, since the focus is moved to track view even when
>>>>>> pressing
>>>>>>>>> Tab.
>>>>>>>>>> Really strange!
>>>>>>>>>> Except the media explorer, I don't see such strange focus issues,
>>>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes in pluggin windows.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is somebody able to reproduce this?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hrvoje
>>
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