[RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
Scott Chesworth
scottchesworth at gmail.com
Wed May 26 14:51:01 EDT 2010
Calvo for president! Keep us posted Mike, this is great news.
On 5/26/10, Mike Calvo Yesterday Today and Forever Ministries
<mike at mikecalvo.com> wrote:
> Hello All:
> Great news! I have finally heard from Justin Frankel today! I have had
> Matt Campbell our lead developer contact him and I will post our
> progress as possible.
>
> I think we have finally gotten our breakthrough!
> Mike
>
> Original message:
>> Hi Derek,
>
>> Schwa, one of the key Reaper developers acknowledged a bug report that
>> Ivan filed on the forum some months ago. As far as I know those bugs
>> were also fixed, and that's when Ivan gave us working anouncements of
>> armed/unarmed states, the ability to speak which tracks in a session
>> were muted and soloed and suchlike. So they know we're here, they know
>> Ivan was working on a plugin for blind users, but to my knowledge
>> that's as deep as it goes. I'm very aware that this is starting to
>> sound like a bizarre DAW-based myth about creators and aliens lol.
>
>> Going on the silence that Mike and the Serotek crew are experiencing,
>> and the silence I received some months ago when I attempted contact
>> several times, I'd say working alongside them might be a way off. From
>> watching their activity on the forum though I don't think this is down
>> to any bad intentions, my guess is that They're just super, super busy
>> trying to keep their heads above water everyday, and can't think about
>> anything else yet.
>
>> Having said that, I'd 100% prefer the approach of working with Reaper
>> devs than using a DAW written specifically for screen reader users. No
>> offence intended Jinseng, you know that it's very rare that we
>> disagree bud, but in my experience of working with/for sighted people
>> in studios and live recordings, they want to know that their music is
>> going through something industry standard before they'll trust you to
>> make judgements for them. Reaper is not an industry standard, but it
>> has gotten people curious here because of it's speed and powerful
>> actions, so when they've left the studio to research it they'll
>> instantly see the hundreds of positive reviews from the big name
>> magazines and the fanatical users on the forum. A DAW coded
>> specifically for us just couldn't generate that media buz and be seen
>> as cool or "up and coming" by a wider audience I don't think, and
>> being able to secure that trusting relationship with a client can make
>> or break a session. So for home use you certainly have a point, but
>> out in the field it's important for us to be using mainstream products
>> I think.
>
>> Cheers
>> Scott
>
>> On 5/26/10, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>> I'm really loving all the new discoveries made in reaper, and I
>>> personally
>>> hope we can colaberate with the reaper team. I wonder if they are even
>>> awair that this side project exists?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <jinseng at yandex.ru>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>
>
>>>> Thank you, Scott, you are absolutely right, Reaper plugins and ReaAccess
>>>> are written with C++.
>>>> I'd like to add a few words about DAW for VIP. Seems, there is some
>>>> experience in Linux named Ardour. And we have QWS, BME and Midim which
>>>> are
>
>>>> excelent for MIDI and are created for blind persons. there are C++ and
>>>> Python. So may be it's time for new try to be independent musicians with
>>>> new DAW?
>>>> Keep on, folks!
>
>>>> 26.05.10, 12:21, "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>:
>
>>>>> Hey Roy,
>
>>>>> I'm not Jinseng obviously, but can answer your questions this time.
>
>>>>> There's still been no word from Ivan to anyone. I know he used Visual
>>>>> C++ to compile the ReaAccess DLL files, the Reaper SDK seems to be C++
>>>>> based.
>
>>>>> Hth
>>>>> Scott
>
>>>>> On 5/25/10, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>> anything new regarding the developement of ReaAccess?
>>>>>> can you please ask Ivan which programming environment does he use to
>>>>> write
>>>>>> the code? (ms visual studio , Eclipse , etc).
>>>>>> thanks alot
>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>
>
>>>>>>> Yes, i have just the same problem of media explorer in Reaper 3.52
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Jaws 11. Although it's a little bit easier due to mouse cursor,
>>>>>>> nevertheless the situation is anoying. Reaper has already made some
>>>>>>> troubles for visually impaired users 3 or 4 times before. So may be
>>>>> we are
>
>>>>>>> waited for some bad changes again. Let me say, we would be calm only
>>>>> if
>>>>>>> somebody make DAW especially for blind musicians, something for us,
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> all accessible areas and actions, with keyboard commands and special
>>>>>>> advantages we need. There guys n RWP list who could start this great
>>>>>>> project, aren't they?
>>>>>>> Best wishes!
>
>>>>>>> 25.05.10, 19:12, "Derek Lane" :
>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce with both jaws and NVDA. Its a shaim as well
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> the media explorer is critical for importing files with tempo data
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>> and deciding if the project data or that in the file to be imported
>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Hrvoje Katic"
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>
>>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to Reaper 3.52 and I'm using Reaper with latest
>>>>>>>> ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>> and NVDA.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in this new upgrade, there are even worse focus
>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> media explorer than with previous Reaper versions. Previously I
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to focus Media Explorer by pressing Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow,
>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> Shift+Tab, and then Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow once again and then
>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>> navigate the files list. However, in this new release there's no
>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> focus a list of files except by using the physical mouse, and
>>>>> once I
>>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>> list, NVDA doesn't read items in a list, and I can't go to the
>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>>> by using Home and End keys. Also when I press Backspace to go to
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> previous folder, the focus is lost again and returned to a track
>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, I can't use Tab key to go to other media explorer
>>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>>>> anymore, since the focus is moved to track view even when
>>>>> pressing
>>>>>>>> Tab.
>>>>>>>>> Really strange!
>>>>>>>>> Except the media explorer, I don't see such strange focus issues,
>>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>> sometimes in pluggin windows.
>
>>>>>>>>> Is somebody able to reproduce this?
>
>>>>>>>>> Hrvoje
>
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