[RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
Mike Calvo Yesterday Today and Forever Ministries
mike at mikecalvo.com
Wed May 26 14:42:41 EDT 2010
Hello All:
Great news! I have finally heard from Justin Frankel today! I have had
Matt Campbell our lead developer contact him and I will post our
progress as possible.
I think we have finally gotten our breakthrough!
Mike
Original message:
> Hi Derek,
> Schwa, one of the key Reaper developers acknowledged a bug report that
> Ivan filed on the forum some months ago. As far as I know those bugs
> were also fixed, and that's when Ivan gave us working anouncements of
> armed/unarmed states, the ability to speak which tracks in a session
> were muted and soloed and suchlike. So they know we're here, they know
> Ivan was working on a plugin for blind users, but to my knowledge
> that's as deep as it goes. I'm very aware that this is starting to
> sound like a bizarre DAW-based myth about creators and aliens lol.
> Going on the silence that Mike and the Serotek crew are experiencing,
> and the silence I received some months ago when I attempted contact
> several times, I'd say working alongside them might be a way off. From
> watching their activity on the forum though I don't think this is down
> to any bad intentions, my guess is that They're just super, super busy
> trying to keep their heads above water everyday, and can't think about
> anything else yet.
> Having said that, I'd 100% prefer the approach of working with Reaper
> devs than using a DAW written specifically for screen reader users. No
> offence intended Jinseng, you know that it's very rare that we
> disagree bud, but in my experience of working with/for sighted people
> in studios and live recordings, they want to know that their music is
> going through something industry standard before they'll trust you to
> make judgements for them. Reaper is not an industry standard, but it
> has gotten people curious here because of it's speed and powerful
> actions, so when they've left the studio to research it they'll
> instantly see the hundreds of positive reviews from the big name
> magazines and the fanatical users on the forum. A DAW coded
> specifically for us just couldn't generate that media buz and be seen
> as cool or "up and coming" by a wider audience I don't think, and
> being able to secure that trusting relationship with a client can make
> or break a session. So for home use you certainly have a point, but
> out in the field it's important for us to be using mainstream products
> I think.
> Cheers
> Scott
> On 5/26/10, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>> I'm really loving all the new discoveries made in reaper, and I personally
>> hope we can colaberate with the reaper team. I wonder if they are even
>> awair that this side project exists?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jinseng at yandex.ru>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>> Thank you, Scott, you are absolutely right, Reaper plugins and ReaAccess
>>> are written with C++.
>>> I'd like to add a few words about DAW for VIP. Seems, there is some
>>> experience in Linux named Ardour. And we have QWS, BME and Midim which are
>>> excelent for MIDI and are created for blind persons. there are C++ and
>>> Python. So may be it's time for new try to be independent musicians with
>>> new DAW?
>>> Keep on, folks!
>>> 26.05.10, 12:21, "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>:
>>>> Hey Roy,
>>>> I'm not Jinseng obviously, but can answer your questions this time.
>>>> There's still been no word from Ivan to anyone. I know he used Visual
>>>> C++ to compile the ReaAccess DLL files, the Reaper SDK seems to be C++
>>>> based.
>>>> Hth
>>>> Scott
>>>> On 5/25/10, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>> anything new regarding the developement of ReaAccess?
>>>>> can you please ask Ivan which programming environment does he use to
>>>> write
>>>>> the code? (ms visual studio , Eclipse , etc).
>>>>> thanks alot
>>>>> Roy.
>>>>> www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From:
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>>>>> Yes, i have just the same problem of media explorer in Reaper 3.52
>>>> and
>>>>>> Jaws 11. Although it's a little bit easier due to mouse cursor,
>>>>>> nevertheless the situation is anoying. Reaper has already made some
>>>>>> troubles for visually impaired users 3 or 4 times before. So may be
>>>> we are
>>>>>> waited for some bad changes again. Let me say, we would be calm only
>>>> if
>>>>>> somebody make DAW especially for blind musicians, something for us,
>>>> with
>>>>>> all accessible areas and actions, with keyboard commands and special
>>>>>> advantages we need. There guys n RWP list who could start this great
>>>>>> project, aren't they?
>>>>>> Best wishes!
>>>>>> 25.05.10, 19:12, "Derek Lane" :
>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce with both jaws and NVDA. Its a shaim as well
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> the media explorer is critical for importing files with tempo data
>>>> in
>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>> and deciding if the project data or that in the file to be imported
>>>> is
>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Hrvoje Katic"
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:51 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to Reaper 3.52 and I'm using Reaper with latest
>>>>>>> ReaAccess
>>>>>>>> and NVDA.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in this new upgrade, there are even worse focus
>>>> issues
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> media explorer than with previous Reaper versions. Previously I
>>>> was
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to focus Media Explorer by pressing Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow,
>>>> then
>>>>>>>> Shift+Tab, and then Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow once again and then
>>>> I can
>>>>>>>> navigate the files list. However, in this new release there's no
>>>> way
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> focus a list of files except by using the physical mouse, and
>>>> once I
>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>> list, NVDA doesn't read items in a list, and I can't go to the
>>>> first
>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>>> by using Home and End keys. Also when I press Backspace to go to
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> previous folder, the focus is lost again and returned to a track
>>>> view.
>>>>>>>> Additionally, I can't use Tab key to go to other media explorer
>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>>> anymore, since the focus is moved to track view even when
>>>> pressing
>>>>>>> Tab.
>>>>>>>> Really strange!
>>>>>>>> Except the media explorer, I don't see such strange focus issues,
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>>> sometimes in pluggin windows.
>>>>>>>> Is somebody able to reproduce this?
>>>>>>>> Hrvoje
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