[RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
Scott Chesworth
scottchesworth at gmail.com
Wed May 26 12:45:02 EDT 2010
Hi Derek,
Schwa, one of the key Reaper developers acknowledged a bug report that
Ivan filed on the forum some months ago. As far as I know those bugs
were also fixed, and that's when Ivan gave us working anouncements of
armed/unarmed states, the ability to speak which tracks in a session
were muted and soloed and suchlike. So they know we're here, they know
Ivan was working on a plugin for blind users, but to my knowledge
that's as deep as it goes. I'm very aware that this is starting to
sound like a bizarre DAW-based myth about creators and aliens lol.
Going on the silence that Mike and the Serotek crew are experiencing,
and the silence I received some months ago when I attempted contact
several times, I'd say working alongside them might be a way off. From
watching their activity on the forum though I don't think this is down
to any bad intentions, my guess is that They're just super, super busy
trying to keep their heads above water everyday, and can't think about
anything else yet.
Having said that, I'd 100% prefer the approach of working with Reaper
devs than using a DAW written specifically for screen reader users. No
offence intended Jinseng, you know that it's very rare that we
disagree bud, but in my experience of working with/for sighted people
in studios and live recordings, they want to know that their music is
going through something industry standard before they'll trust you to
make judgements for them. Reaper is not an industry standard, but it
has gotten people curious here because of it's speed and powerful
actions, so when they've left the studio to research it they'll
instantly see the hundreds of positive reviews from the big name
magazines and the fanatical users on the forum. A DAW coded
specifically for us just couldn't generate that media buz and be seen
as cool or "up and coming" by a wider audience I don't think, and
being able to secure that trusting relationship with a client can make
or break a session. So for home use you certainly have a point, but
out in the field it's important for us to be using mainstream products
I think.
Cheers
Scott
On 5/26/10, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
> I'm really loving all the new discoveries made in reaper, and I personally
> hope we can colaberate with the reaper team. I wonder if they are even
> awair that this side project exists?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jinseng at yandex.ru>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>
>
>> Thank you, Scott, you are absolutely right, Reaper plugins and ReaAccess
>> are written with C++.
>> I'd like to add a few words about DAW for VIP. Seems, there is some
>> experience in Linux named Ardour. And we have QWS, BME and Midim which are
>>
>> excelent for MIDI and are created for blind persons. there are C++ and
>> Python. So may be it's time for new try to be independent musicians with
>> new DAW?
>> Keep on, folks!
>>
>> 26.05.10, 12:21, "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hey Roy,
>>>
>>> I'm not Jinseng obviously, but can answer your questions this time.
>>>
>>> There's still been no word from Ivan to anyone. I know he used Visual
>>> C++ to compile the ReaAccess DLL files, the Reaper SDK seems to be C++
>>> based.
>>>
>>> Hth
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 5/25/10, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>> > anything new regarding the developement of ReaAccess?
>>> > can you please ask Ivan which programming environment does he use to
>>> write
>>> > the code? (ms visual studio , Eclipse , etc).
>>> > thanks alot
>>> > Roy.
>>> > www.soundclick.com/tzackeek
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From:
>>> > To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:44 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Yes, i have just the same problem of media explorer in Reaper 3.52
>>> and
>>> >> Jaws 11. Although it's a little bit easier due to mouse cursor,
>>> >> nevertheless the situation is anoying. Reaper has already made some
>>> >> troubles for visually impaired users 3 or 4 times before. So may be
>>> we are
>>> >>
>>> >> waited for some bad changes again. Let me say, we would be calm only
>>> if
>>> >> somebody make DAW especially for blind musicians, something for us,
>>> with
>>> >> all accessible areas and actions, with keyboard commands and special
>>> >> advantages we need. There guys n RWP list who could start this great
>>> >> project, aren't they?
>>> >> Best wishes!
>>> >>
>>> >> 25.05.10, 19:12, "Derek Lane" :
>>> >>
>>> >>> Yes, I can reproduce with both jaws and NVDA. Its a shaim as well
>>> >>> because
>>> >>> the media explorer is critical for importing files with tempo data
>>> in
>>> >>> them,
>>> >>> and deciding if the project data or that in the file to be imported
>>>
>>> is
>>> >>> used.
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Hrvoje Katic"
>>> >>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:51 AM
>>> >>> Subject: [RWP] Bad behavior of Media Explorer
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Hi all,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I just upgraded to Reaper 3.52 and I'm using Reaper with latest
>>> >>> ReaAccess
>>> >>> > and NVDA.
>>> >>> > Unfortunately, in this new upgrade, there are even worse focus
>>> issues
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> > media explorer than with previous Reaper versions. Previously I
>>> was
>>> >>> able
>>> >>> > to focus Media Explorer by pressing Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow,
>>> then
>>> >>> > Shift+Tab, and then Alt+Ctrl+Shift+LeftArrow once again and then
>>> I can
>>> >>> > navigate the files list. However, in this new release there's no
>>> way
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > focus a list of files except by using the physical mouse, and
>>> once I
>>> >>> focus
>>> >>> > list, NVDA doesn't read items in a list, and I can't go to the
>>> first
>>> >>> item
>>> >>> > by using Home and End keys. Also when I press Backspace to go to
>>> a
>>> >>> > previous folder, the focus is lost again and returned to a track
>>> view.
>>> >>> > Additionally, I can't use Tab key to go to other media explorer
>>> >>> controls
>>> >>> > anymore, since the focus is moved to track view even when
>>> pressing
>>> >>> Tab.
>>> >>> > Really strange!
>>> >>> > Except the media explorer, I don't see such strange focus issues,
>>> >>> except
>>> >>> > sometimes in pluggin windows.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Is somebody able to reproduce this?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Hrvoje
>>> >>> >
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