[RWP] step by step help

Scott Chesworth scottchesworth at gmail.com
Thu Aug 5 19:53:12 EDT 2010 

Derek said:
"No mention of development has occured on this list sinse april, and
that's strange."

Correct, and that's because as things currently stand, the ReaAccess
codebase is residing with one chap who has a busy life. As you've
seen, offers of assistance have come in, but none have been accepted.
Unless somebody really fancies starting again from the ground up, for
now, we're stuck.

Of course, we shouldn't forget that the Reaper developers themselves
made a start on improving accessibility in v4.60. It's by no means
rendering ReaAccess obsilete yet, but it's a step in the direction of
native accessibility, which could well be the future for this DAW.

I wish I hadn't needed to write that, there's so much potential here...
Scott

On 8/5/10, Derek Lane <derek at pdaudio.net> wrote:
> I think the issue is that if you have absolutely no vision, there are some
> parts of the program you absolutely cannot get too, or if you do, they're
> not labled in such a way that you are aware of what you're looking at.  So
> its not like we're waiting for some one to hold our hand through the
> recording/mixing/mastering process, its a matter of having the full set of
> options available to learn in the first place.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rene Kaaij" <kaaijmusic at gmail.com>
> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>
>
>> Hi Clarence, hi all,
>> I'm reading the last post and to be honest, I don't really understand,
>> what you mean with "Quite vague"... Before I ever heard of ReaAccess,
>> which was about a month ago I guess, I had already been a Reaper user
>> for three years! Besides the flexible routing and dozens of options
>> which make reaper the perfect daw for me personally, the manual is
>> also one of these fantastic things. It's absolutely well-written and
>> the few times that I needed the manual, reading it gave me exactly
>> what I needed to know.
>> Reaaccess is a fantastic plugin which really comes in handy, for users
>> with screenreaders and I have the feeling that the people developing
>> this plugin are people who really believe in Reaper,  and want to make
>> this great product even greater.
>> What I mean, is that working with Reaper is not only a matter of
>> knowing how ReaAcces works, but especially learning the concepts
>> you're working with, which makes using Reaper even more fun!
>> So why not take some time and dive a little bit deeper into Reaper
>> instead of waiting till someone else does it for you? I absolutely
>> don't mean to offend anyone, believe me, but this was just a thought
>> that crossed my mind after reading some posts.
>> All the best,
>> Rene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "clarence griffin" <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Date: 5 augustus 2010 09:55
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>>
>>> Lol. even though that manual is pretty big, after looking threw it, I
>>> must apologize, it really is quite vague. I think we all need to get
>>> together and write something. Although it does kind of brush the basics a
>>>
>>> bit, if you read in to it, you may find what you need. but with the
>>> reaaccess scripts installed, f12 is a big help. Just peck around on the
>>> key bored after that, and you will find a few things. Remember to try the
>>>
>>> modifier keys with all the letters. and try things like alt + shift and
>>> what not too. try control by it self and then control + shift with all
>>> the letters. and shift by its self with the letters do different things.
>>> And the function keys as well. remember that f12 is a toggle so if you
>>> hit that, you will be leaving help mode and will have to hit it again.
>>> That should keep you busy for a while while we get these 1000000 monkeys
>>> to recreate Shakespeare. lol.
>>>
>>> GF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>
>>> > Cool,  I'm sure people would appreciate it if you were to make
>>> > something like that.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>> > To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:34 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I was thinking something in audio.  I speak better than I write, and
>>> >> rather than try to explain what I could allow people to hear for
>>> >> themselves would be much easier.  The concept of scrubbing is easy to
>>> >> explain to anyone fimiliar with the analog editing techniques, but to
>>> >> someone who has no clue about any of that, you'd have to write a
>>> >> paragraph explaining something that could be shown in 10 seconds.
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>> >> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>> >> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:14 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Yeah?  Ok,  what do you want, a chocolate bar?  I'll send you one.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Seriously, that would be a great project for somebody who wanted one,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> who understood the program, and who could write properly formed, and
>>> >>> unequivocally understandable sentences in English.  What this program
>>> >>>
>>> >>> needs is a good, blind-friendly manual.  Reading about how ecstasy is
>>> >>>
>>> >>> just a few quick, convenient mouse clicks, and a couple of swipey
>>> >>> drags away gets on my nerves, as usual.
>>> >>> But, first we need to get some more of the functionality exposed so
>>> >>> we can get to it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> One exercise that might be instructive, and useful later, would be if
>>> >>>
>>> >>> somebody could get that manual in editable form, and go through it
>>> >>> section by section, striking out the clicky draggy stuff, and
>>> >>> replacing it with a how to from a blind perspective.  Of course, most
>>> >>>
>>> >>> of the sections would be punctuated by a special note ***not
>>> >>> accessible***.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But, then, you would have a manual you could actually use.  And, that
>>> >>>
>>> >>> document would then be a guide to the things that need work.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In lieu of a comprehensive treatment of the program, a short,
>>> >>> simplistic tutorial that addressed the basics would still probably be
>>> >>>
>>> >>> a  good thing that would satisfy 90% of the idle inquiries, the
>>> >>> people who want to have a play, but who are not good at poking around
>>> >>>
>>> >>> and figuring things out on their own.  it wouldn't have to be the
>>> >>> ultimate manual to still be useful, and might save a bit of list
>>> >>> chatter.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How do I create atrack.
>>> >>> How do I record on it.
>>> >>> How do I change the volume of each track, or the pan.
>>> >>> How do I delete a track.  Or punch in in the middle of it.
>>> >>> How do I pick an input or output for  the track, or patch an effect
>>> >>> into it.
>>> >>> Very basic things like that.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, if you are pretty knowledgeable on the program, guhHead and spend
>>> >>>
>>> >>> a couple hours addressing the basics, and I'll send you a cookie.
>>> >>> Or, are you holding out for the chocolate?
>>> >>> <grin>
>>> >>> Ok,  it you're holding out for chocolate,  I reserve the rights to
>>> >>> approve the spelling.  <big grin>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>> >>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:25 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Easy there.
>>> >>>> In all fairness, the manual was designed for those with site, so
>>> >>>> tells you how to do everything in mouse clicks.
>>> >>>> The few keyboard shortcuts it gives ave been changed as a result of
>>> >>>> reaaccess to make things more logical.
>>> >>>> So while it is great for telling someone how effects work, and what
>>> >>>> each one does, its kind of useless when it comes to telling you how
>>> >>>> to say... add them in the first place?
>>> >>>> I'd put something together, but to do an audio version of the
>>> >>>> manual, I honestly couldn't justify putting that much time and
>>> >>>> supporting the tutorial with updates and the like unless I had some
>>> >>>> sort of insentive to do so.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "clarence griffin"
>>> >>>> <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:33 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] step by step help
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Jesus! talk about hand holding? There is a manual that is one of
>>> >>>>> the bigest I have ever seen in my life. I am sure that the person
>>> >>>>> who wrote that manual took lots of time that more than likely could
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> have been better spent on a vacation in the tripics or something
>>> >>>>> with hot chicks bringing him cold drinks. The fact that you want
>>> >>>>> answers to all these questions from us and they can just as eaaily
>>> >>>>> be found in this manual has got to be an insult to the poor guy.
>>> >>>>> Give that a try first then, if you can't find your answers there, I
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> am sure that one of us can help you. Did you even look at the
>>> >>>>> manual first? Just wondering...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> GF
>>> >>>>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Kenneth Suratt wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 1. how to set up a track to record from a midi input.
>>> >>>>>> 2. how to add instruments to my midi files.
>>> >>>>>> 3. where can i find the banks of tones.
>>> >>>>>> 4. how to mix the different tracks.
>>> >>>>>> 5. how to save my mix in a two track for playing on a regular
>>> >>>>>> player.
>>> >>>>>> 6. how to find the metronome.
>>> >>>>>> thanks. __________________________________________________
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