<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">well, it's better than nothing and i am sure the sound will get better. it sounds better than the sapi ductal that Fonix made in 2003. <div><br><div><div>On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:39 PM, <a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>Still, there should be a dictionary included to change how words are
pronounced.</div>
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<div>In a message dated 1/30/2012 1:31:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com">bmisch2002@gmail.com</a> writes:</div>
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these samples on klango a month ago and they sounded better than that DECtalk
sample that was out early last year.
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<div>On Jan 30, 2012, at 12:28 PM, <a title="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div>After posting the link I tried it myself. I think these files
were updated because I'm now understanding them at 100 percent.
However, "New" still sounds like "Moo", but this is releasable. I
actually like it now. Wow! I never thought you guys would pull
it off! I hope you fix "New", and the "H" in "Hurricane" is too
long, but this is damn good now.</div>
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<div>SNOOPI BOTTEN </div>
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<div>In a message dated 1/30/2012 12:15:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, <a title="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> writes:</div>
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<div>Let me share the link to the unreleased demos that I'm talking
about. And actually the word "New" sounds like "Moo".</div>
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<div>To hear samples of all the voices, just change the name at the end of
the link.</div>
<div><a title="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/" href="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/">http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/</a></div>
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<div>SNOOPI BOTTEN </div>
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<div>In a message dated 1/30/2012 11:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, <a title="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com" href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com">bmisch2002@gmail.com</a> writes:</div>
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it.
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<div>On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:08 AM, <a title="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div>Fine, release it, whatever. The latest MP3 recordings of
Dectalk Reader 1 have pops in most of the voices, and the weather
report in the demo is only like 80 percent understandable.
So fine, I'll say it's the best thing I ever heard in my life if
that's what you want. It's a lie, but gm starting to feel like
the truth doesn't exist any more.</div>
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<div>"Four score and 7 years ago our Father's brought forth a new
nation", or whatever that line is. The word "New" is annoyingly
pronounced. I have no clue what is wrong with it, it sounds like
[nuwuwuw], rather than [nuw]. I'm not
sure, it's just annoying. My point is, if you are
not offering an online demo, or anything that people can't try, and if
those two demos are the only thing that people hear, and if it
won't even have a dictionary that people can edit how it says words,
then, then, then. Oh good grief. </div>
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<div>SNOOPI BOTTEN </div>
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<div>
<div>In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:31:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
<a title="mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com" href="mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com">edbruckert@gmail.com</a>
writes:</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial"> additional
information, I forgot to mention that sometime in the late 80s when
Dennis added a female data set to DECtalk the sex option change from
a scaling function to simply selecting a male or female phonetic
base, but in no way can I remember when that occurred.
<div> As a general comment I alone did
the four point X versions of DECtalk as Dennis was born at that
point, so I know them intimately, but even years ago people would
prefer different versions and trying to make one sound exactly like
the other was exceedingly difficult and a lot of it occurred because
of changes in the overall coding that were done not because we
wanted to but because we had to meet evolving programming standards
to keep it running on various tools because if we didn't sell
DECtalk we simply went home and unfortunately economics force the
focus away from the screen reader environment. I did not like
this change but DECtalk more than once was in survival mode, I am
using the latest version and to say it's on understandable is an
exaggeration,</div>
<div>preferring a different version is very understandable. I have
no problems with people saying what I want but understand this is
anything but easy with limited funds, I donate my time but other
people cannot and the fact that I'm going blind and I am not a
Windows or SAPI programmer there are limits to what can be done. But
I think junk is an unfair exaggeration.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Jake McMahan
<span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:mcmahan.jake@gmail.com" href="mailto:mcmahan.jake@gmail.com">mcmahan.jake@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div> I have to say, I love the sound
of dectalk reader one. I really want this version
badly. I don't care if it will sing, and I don't care about
anything else. I love it the way it is. To me, it's
not garbage, it's a version of dectalk that I personally
like. I want this version, again.</div></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:09 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a> </div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in
Dectalk?</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div><br></div><font color="#000000" size="4" face="Arial">
<div>Um, Ed, excuse me but Blake and I both heard the latest MP3
samples of Dectalk Reader 1. The speech is not
understandable.</div>
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<div> </div>
<div>SNOOPI BOTTEN </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 1/29/2012 8:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time, <a title="mailto:musicalman1@comcast.net" href="mailto:musicalman1@comcast.net" target="_blank">musicalman1@comcast.net</a> writes:</div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Well, I've stated this opinion time and
time again, and every time I do, people seem to think I'm nuts
or that I'm too conservative.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">First off, people are nnot stupid. If they
call it Dectalk Reader, then who in their right mind will think
snoopi's instructions on making it sing, will work with a reader
of all things?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">And, the Dectalk that Enable has, isn't
unusable. there are some on this list that like it for what it
is. I myself do not, but that's my opinion. One man's garbage is
another man's treasure...</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">This isn't the first time someone released
a Dectalk that wasn't a thing like what we all know. Force did
it, Fonix did it. But everyone still stuckw ith Dectalk 4.3 and
4.4. So I don't see why Enable is going to just ruin everything.
If people don't like it, they will simply not use it just like
they did with everything else. I do not agree with Enable's
motives, but I will never tell them their product is garbage.
Let's say I tell someone on this list their production is
garbage. they worked for hours on it. They will most likely be
glad to have received the high complement? Even if it's the
worst piece of garbage you ever heard. It's simply not anything
close to constructive to say it that way. So now Enable
just releases what they have because some people use it and
they've fired those who told them off. It's sad but true. They
have their faults, we have ours. If we don't like them, that's
how it is. But I was seriously hoping the Enable business was
over with. They'd either fix it or they wouldn't.
*sigh*</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I continue to hope that Dennis will like
what eventually becomes of Dectalk. Maybe enable will do
something for the better, or someone else will. But we have no
hopeful dectalk future, which is sad. I believe all of us, that
being Enable and those of us who were very harsh on them, had a
part in that. I am so fed up with this argument between us and
Enable! Let's just not post anything else degrading about
them. Please? we've done that enough!</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com" href="mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com" target="_blank">ebruckert
Bruckert</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">DECtalk
Discussions</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 29,
2012 9:30 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DECtalk]
how to do gender change in Dectalk?</div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font><font face="Arial"></font><font face="Arial"></font><br></div> I want to
clarify some things and some things that make me quite upset.
Making statements like Dennis would roll over in his grave
when you never even knew Dennis I find disrespectful. Dennis
was a person I always looked up to and tried to emulate in my
life. And he would never denigrate people the way you seem
inclined to do, especially when in plain English you don't
know what the hell you're talking about!! the issue of singing
in the SAPI version has nothing to do with DECtalk if you want
to get mad at somebody get mad at Microsoft for creating a
specification that doesn't allow for commands to be passed to
a synthesizer. The DECtalk created could sing if you get get
the damn commands to it. In plain English I'm thoroughly
disgusted with your rants.
<div> The sex command was created for the
original DECtalk because we only had one acoustic database so
Dennis did the best he could trying to develop an algorithm to
scale performance between a male and a female which works to
some extent but can't be perfect due to the complexities
involved in that it's not linear.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you! I knew it was possible but I never
totally knew how. I am trying to jump start my
business called "THE FLAME OF HOPE". As most of you
know I have over 1200 songs, and right now I'm trying to put
as many of them as I can to music. Some I flat out
can't because when I first started I made really bad errors
such as not doing the entire song. Part of it was I
started with easy sheet music which often only has one
verse. But I'm doing new songs as well.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The reason is, people now have avatars and easy to use
animation software. So I'm marketing the free 4.40
Speak Window which is free for the asking, then I'm selling
my instructions on how to create voices and make them
sing. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I bring this up because I have a question for all of
you. Enable Rehab is getting ready to release "DECTALK
READER 1", and there might be an Earthquake on that day
because Dennis Klatt might roll over in his grave.
This thing as far as I know won't sing. The voices
from the latest I have heard are still bad quality because
the voices pop in the MP3 recordings that I have
heart. I don't think it will come with a dictionary so
people can edit how words are said. And in my opinion,
this thing is still garbage! I got fired for saying
that but big deal, I'm only saying the truth!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Anyway, Enable Rehab won't take "Dectalk" out of the
name because they feel the name is a marketing tool. I
personally think it's fraud because it will be so different
from the Dectalk that we all know and love that it really
isn't Dectalk. They're calling it "Reader 1" so people
will know by the title that it will only read.
(Sick)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Anyway, I'm upset because thanks to both E voice and
now the internet, I think I'm as associated with Dectalk as
much as Dennis Klatt. This upcoming release is making
me sick because I'm afraid people might buy this Dectalk
SAPI garbage and think my instructions will work with
it. So I'm very upset that they are calling it Dectalk
anything. They really need to remove "Dectalk" from
the title because I view it as a deception of the worse
kind!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Here is my question. I think a petition should be
started because this is just wrong! BUT, I don't know
if the petition should be to just drop "Dectalk" from the
name, OR, to just scrap this garbage. And, I don't
want to be the one to start the petition because I don't
know how. But if a petition does get started, it needs
to go all over the internet and get back to Enable
Rehab.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I just feel that by marking this garbage under
"Dectalk", they are taking advantage of both the blind and
the disabled communities because they know "Dectalk" will
bring in sales just because of the name. And because
my name is known with Dectalk, I feel this soon to be
released garbage will effect my image and my business.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>SNOOPI BOTTEN </div>
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<div>In a message dated 1/28/2012 9:49:19 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, <a title="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net" href="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net" target="_blank">beroberts@hughes.net</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Thanks Alex. That syntax works in both DT 4.4
and 4.3. I did a quick test<br>with both versions.
Note to Snoopi: the female versions of Frank and
Dennis<br>sound odd. I think breathiness will need to be
changed with the br command<br>for best
results.<br>Blake<br><br>-----Original
Message-----<br>From: <a title="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a><br>[mailto:<a title="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>] On
Behalf Of Alex H.<br>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:06
PM<br>To: DECtalk Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [DECtalk]
how to do gender change in Dectalk?<br><br>sorry,
[:nf][:dv sx 0] should do it.<br><br>On 1/28/12, Alex H.
<<a title="mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com" href="mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com" target="_blank">linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> [:sx 0]<br>><br>> On 1/28/12, Blake
Roberts <<a title="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net" href="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net" target="_blank">beroberts@hughes.net</a>>
wrote:<br>>> Hi all,<br>>> Snoopi asked me to
pose a question to the listserv. He knows about
<br>>> the gender change command, sx. Does it work
in DT 4.4? If so, what is <br>>> the correct
syntax?<br>>> Snoopi wants to program the song
Emotion by The Bee Gees using a <br>>> breathy
female Frank or Dennis. I know that may sound funny, but
it <br>>> is a serious thing. If anyone knows how to
change Frank or Dennis to <br>>> female, please
share. I figure someone on here probably does.
<br>>> Alternatively, if anyone else wants to
program a female Frank or <br>>> Dennis version of
the song, Snoopi is willing to do the mixing with
<br>>> music after fixing any phoneems that may be
incorrect. He is waiting <br>>> for his
communication device to be repaired, so Snoopi will not be
<br>>> able to program the song for about a
month.<br>>> Blake<br>>>
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