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<DIV>Fine, release it, whatever. The latest MP3 recordings of Dectalk
Reader 1 have pops in most of the voices, and the weather report in the demo is
only like 80 percent understandable. So fine, I'll say it's the best
thing I ever heard in my life if that's what you want. It's a lie, but gm
starting to feel like the truth doesn't exist any more.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Four score and 7 years ago our Father's brought forth a new nation", or
whatever that line is. The word "New" is annoyingly pronounced. I
have no clue what is wrong with it, it sounds like
[nuwuwuw], rather than [nuw]. I'm not sure, it's just
annoying. My point is, if you are not offering an online demo,
or anything that people can't try, and if those two demos are the only
thing that people hear, and if it won't even have a dictionary that people can
edit how it says words, then, then, then. Oh good grief. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>SNOOPI BOTTEN </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:31:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
edbruckert@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
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additional information, I forgot to mention that
sometime in the late 80s when Dennis added a female data set to DECtalk the
sex option change from a scaling function to simply selecting a male or female
phonetic base, but in no way can I remember when that occurred.
<DIV> As a general comment I alone did the four
point X versions of DECtalk as Dennis was born at that point, so I know them
intimately, but even years ago people would prefer different versions and
trying to make one sound exactly like the other was exceedingly difficult and
a lot of it occurred because of changes in the overall coding that were done
not because we wanted to but because we had to meet evolving programming
standards to keep it running on various tools because if we didn't sell
DECtalk we simply went home and unfortunately economics force the focus away
from the screen reader environment. I did not like this change but
DECtalk more than once was in survival mode, I am using the latest version and
to say it's on understandable is an exaggeration,</DIV>
<DIV>preferring a different version is very understandable. I have no problems
with people saying what I want but understand this is anything but easy with
limited funds, I donate my time but other people cannot and the fact that I'm
going blind and I am not a Windows or SAPI programmer there are limits to what
can be done. But I think junk is an unfair exaggeration.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Jake McMahan <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:mcmahan.jake@gmail.com
href="mailto:mcmahan.jake@gmail.com">mcmahan.jake@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV> I have to say, I love the sound of
dectalk reader one. I really want this version badly. I don't
care if it will sing, and I don't care about anything else. I love it
the way it is. To me, it's not garbage, it's a version of dectalk that
I personally like. I want this version, again.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com
href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com
href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com"
target=_blank>dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in
Dectalk?</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>Um, Ed, excuse me but Blake and I both heard the latest MP3 samples of
Dectalk Reader 1. The speech is not understandable.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SNOOPI BOTTEN </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 1/29/2012 8:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, <A
title=mailto:musicalman1@comcast.net href="mailto:musicalman1@comcast.net"
target=_blank>musicalman1@comcast.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, I've stated this opinion time and time again,
and every time I do, people seem to think I'm nuts or that I'm too
conservative.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>First off, people are nnot stupid. If they call it
Dectalk Reader, then who in their right mind will think snoopi's
instructions on making it sing, will work with a reader of all
things?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>And, the Dectalk that Enable has, isn't unusable.
there are some on this list that like it for what it is. I myself do not,
but that's my opinion. One man's garbage is another man's
treasure...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This isn't the first time someone released a Dectalk
that wasn't a thing like what we all know. Force did it, Fonix did it. But
everyone still stuckw ith Dectalk 4.3 and 4.4. So I don't see why Enable
is going to just ruin everything. If people don't like it, they will
simply not use it just like they did with everything else. I do not agree
with Enable's motives, but I will never tell them their product is
garbage. Let's say I tell someone on this list their production is
garbage. they worked for hours on it. They will most likely be glad to
have received the high complement? Even if it's the worst piece of garbage
you ever heard. It's simply not anything close to constructive to say it
that way. So now Enable just releases what they have because some
people use it and they've fired those who told them off. It's sad but
true. They have their faults, we have ours. If we don't like them, that's
how it is. But I was seriously hoping the Enable business was over with.
They'd either fix it or they wouldn't. *sigh*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I continue to hope that Dennis will like what
eventually becomes of Dectalk. Maybe enable will do something for the
better, or someone else will. But we have no hopeful dectalk future, which
is sad. I believe all of us, that being Enable and those of us who were
very harsh on them, had a part in that. I am so fed up with this argument
between us and Enable! Let's just not post anything else degrading
about them. Please? we've done that enough!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com href="mailto:edbruckert@gmail.com"
target=_blank>ebruckert Bruckert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com
href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>DECtalk
Discussions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DECtalk] how to do
gender change in Dectalk?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV> I want to clarify some
things and some things that make me quite upset. Making statements like
Dennis would roll over in his grave when you never even knew Dennis I
find disrespectful. Dennis was a person I always looked up to and tried
to emulate in my life. And he would never denigrate people the way you
seem inclined to do, especially when in plain English you don't know
what the hell you're talking about!! the issue of singing in the SAPI
version has nothing to do with DECtalk if you want to get mad at
somebody get mad at Microsoft for creating a specification that doesn't
allow for commands to be passed to a synthesizer. The DECtalk created
could sing if you get get the damn commands to it. In plain
English I'm thoroughly disgusted with your rants.
<DIV> The sex command was created for the original DECtalk
because we only had one acoustic database so Dennis did the best he
could trying to develop an algorithm to scale performance between a male
and a female which works to some extent but can't be perfect due to the
complexities involved in that it's not linear.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com
href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com"
target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Thank you! I knew it was possible but I never totally knew
how. I am trying to jump start my business called "THE FLAME OF
HOPE". As most of you know I have over 1200 songs, and right now
I'm trying to put as many of them as I can to music. Some I flat
out can't because when I first started I made really bad errors such
as not doing the entire song. Part of it was I started with easy
sheet music which often only has one verse. But I'm doing new
songs as well.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The reason is, people now have avatars and easy to use animation
software. So I'm marketing the free 4.40 Speak Window which is
free for the asking, then I'm selling my instructions on how to create
voices and make them sing. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I bring this up because I have a question for all of you.
Enable Rehab is getting ready to release "DECTALK READER 1", and there
might be an Earthquake on that day because Dennis Klatt might roll
over in his grave. This thing as far as I know won't sing.
The voices from the latest I have heard are still bad quality because
the voices pop in the MP3 recordings that I have heart. I don't
think it will come with a dictionary so people can edit how words are
said. And in my opinion, this thing is still garbage! I
got fired for saying that but big deal, I'm only saying the
truth!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, Enable Rehab won't take "Dectalk" out of the name because
they feel the name is a marketing tool. I personally think it's
fraud because it will be so different from the Dectalk that we all
know and love that it really isn't Dectalk. They're calling it
"Reader 1" so people will know by the title that it will only
read. (Sick)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I'm upset because thanks to both E voice and now the
internet, I think I'm as associated with Dectalk as much as Dennis
Klatt. This upcoming release is making me sick because I'm
afraid people might buy this Dectalk SAPI garbage and think my
instructions will work with it. So I'm very upset that they are
calling it Dectalk anything. They really need to remove
"Dectalk" from the title because I view it as a deception of the worse
kind!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is my question. I think a petition should be started
because this is just wrong! BUT, I don't know if the petition
should be to just drop "Dectalk" from the name, OR, to just scrap this
garbage. And, I don't want to be the one to start the petition
because I don't know how. But if a petition does get started, it
needs to go all over the internet and get back to Enable Rehab.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I just feel that by marking this garbage under "Dectalk", they
are taking advantage of both the blind and the disabled communities
because they know "Dectalk" will bring in sales just because of the
name. And because my name is known with Dectalk, I feel this
soon to be released garbage will effect my image and my
business.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SNOOPI BOTTEN </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 1/28/2012 9:49:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
<A title=mailto:beroberts@hughes.net
href="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net"
target=_blank>beroberts@hughes.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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face=Arial>Thanks Alex. That syntax works in both DT 4.4 and 4.3. I
did a quick test<BR>with both versions. Note to Snoopi: the
female versions of Frank and Dennis<BR>sound odd. I think
breathiness will need to be changed with the br command<BR>for best
results.<BR>Blake<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
title=mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com
href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
target=_blank>dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</A><BR>[mailto:<A
title=mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com
href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
target=_blank>dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</A>] On Behalf Of
Alex H.<BR>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:06 PM<BR>To: DECtalk
Discussions<BR>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in
Dectalk?<BR><BR>sorry, [:nf][:dv sx 0] should do it.<BR><BR>On
1/28/12, Alex H. <<A title=mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com
href="mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> [:sx
0]<BR>><BR>> On 1/28/12, Blake Roberts <<A
title=mailto:beroberts@hughes.net href="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net"
target=_blank>beroberts@hughes.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>> Hi
all,<BR>>> Snoopi asked me to pose a question to the listserv.
He knows about <BR>>> the gender change command, sx. Does it
work in DT 4.4? If so, what is <BR>>> the correct
syntax?<BR>>> Snoopi wants to program the song Emotion by The
Bee Gees using a <BR>>> breathy female Frank or Dennis. I know
that may sound funny, but it <BR>>> is a serious thing. If
anyone knows how to change Frank or Dennis to <BR>>> female,
please share. I figure someone on here probably does. <BR>>>
Alternatively, if anyone else wants to program a female Frank or
<BR>>> Dennis version of the song, Snoopi is willing to do the
mixing with <BR>>> music after fixing any phoneems that may be
incorrect. He is waiting <BR>>> for his communication device
to be repaired, so Snoopi will not be <BR>>> able to program
the song for about a month.<BR>>> Blake<BR>>>
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