<div>OK guys enough. I am a little tired of the misinformation and confusion and blaming going on. What careens money has done really is get this SAPI portion working. I'm trying to get some old DLLs working. I do not get any monetary compensation so I can't have any evil intent as you purport to other people. You mentioned putting it old klatttalk setttings, which by the way there aren't any. The synthesizer Digital Equipment Corporation received from Dennis was incomplete. It had only the pH files for handling phonemic input and the vocal tract model, it did not even have letter to sound rules which were functional. As a point of interest historically 4.3 was one of the favorite versions and it was done by me as Dennis was dead. Singing – the code for singing is the same as it was when Dennis finished it with one exception. The original version used a physics music scale which turns out to be slightly different than the musicians music scale. Other than that the singing code has never changed, except for enhanced version of singing which was done on a special Hebrew cantering product. There is a danger clearly expressed in the manual that if you muck around with parameters especially gain parameters things can get strange and these are version specific because to achieve maximum quality a long program was run to calculate each filter gain in the vocal track for every single voice. The incompatibility results from a mathematical issue not anything else. Due to platform restrictions we weren't able to go to a floating point calculation which would've solved all these problems.</div>
<div>I am slow because I'm almost blind myself but I said a long time ago that it was my goal to make sure you hit a DECtalk it was reasonable not identical. I say this because I sat there with 4.3 code in front of me comparing it to the code I was working on including pitch tracks and other measurements and just plain looking at the code and although they were very very close people preferred what they've gotten used to. Many of the changes that occurred were a result of Microsoft constantly changing things it was impossible for many different reasons for the original code to be compiled and there are also reasons why it was very difficult to determine what the code actually did and what it was supposed to do. There were many instances where the code obviously didn't do what Dennis's comments said it was supposed to do other things were even legal C constructs in that you could not tell how the compiler would handle the ambiguous statements.</div>
<div> I've been laying back waiting for some of the smoke and dust to settle Now my real question is should I get to work or should I go away. The detailed issues are more complicated than either of Corine her any of you really know. I had programmers leave because they found the complexity of the whole darn thing to intimidating.</div>
<div>As a tiny example, if a data entry error is made in the locus data, that can create a significant problem causing the synthesizer to squeal forever and yet be incredibly difficult to find. </div>
<div> His forests beat goes it's really just a program to shovel stuff to DECtalk so it can be posted anywhere it was an example of how to talk to DECtalk. Like everything else the value is not in speak but is in the knowledge of how to program it for singing. And it's only useful if you happen to have a DECtalk already is the DECtalk DLL cannot be distributed freely and speak doesn't talk sappy it only talks to eight DECtalk. It uses the DECtalk application interface, sapi is simply a mapping of a universally defined set of commands for Windows into device specific commands. So if people want I can send out some samples of something I've worked on following normal procedures we only work on one voice until we were ready to release because of the tuning issues.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><strong><font size="4">Ok, and I just got an email from Corine who still doesn't get it. She's saying that if anyone wants to sing using Dectalk, she's sending everyone to me for a free speak window.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="4">Uh, there's already an updated version of Windows 7 that the speak window won't run on. What happens when a future Windows doesn't include virtual XP? What if everything switches to a droid platform? I already can't get speak running on certain computers.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="4">Who do I call when I can't get the speak window working for people? This is not fare to me.</font></strong></div>
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<div>In a message dated 6/28/2011 1:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com" target="_blank">ratguy@insightbb.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Hi,<br><br>I actually wasn't responding to that last message, but that's the one I hit <br>
reply to. I was actually responding to your thought yesterday that you might <br>have been removed from the list for your earlier comments. That's not going <br>to happen.<br>Jayson<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: <<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a>><br>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:58 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST<br><br><br>> You miss understood me. I'm not concerned about being removed from the<br>> list. Corine in no way wants anyone to see the prototype. So I was <br>> saying,<br>> the link to the prototype will only work until Corine tells Dave to take <br>
> it<br>> down. Or, the site my crash.<br>><br>><br>> SNOOPI BOTTEN<br>><br>><br>> In a message dated 6/28/2011 11:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>> <a href="mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com" target="_blank">ratguy@insightbb.com</a> writes:<br>
><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> Let me just repeat something after all this discussion. Snoopi, you are<br>> not<br>> being removed from this list. I am the only person on Earth with the<br>> authority to remove people from this list or do any other administrative<br>
> job. And as far as I'm concerned, this whole discussion is valuable.<br>> Nobody<br>> will be removed from this list for anything they said or may say on this<br>> topic.<br>><br>> I want to state something else too. As I see it, there are several <br>
> schools<br>> of DECtalk users and fans. There are some who like the DECtalk speech and<br>> probably would use it with their screen reader if they could, or maybe <br>> use<br>> it along with a text to MP3 program such as Text Aloud, but don't have <br>
> any<br>> other more elaborate use for it. Then there are those who think it's cool<br>> that DECtalk can sing and do all this neat stuff and enjoy listening to<br>> others' creations, but don't have a clue how to actually make DECtalk do<br>
> any<br>> of those things. Then there are probably several classes of more advanced<br>> DECtalk users who, at the high end, could probably transcribe arbitrary<br>> text<br>> into phonemes in their sleep. These are the people making the elaborate<br>
> DECtalk songs and skits. And finally, there are the users with<br>> disabilities<br>> requiring them to use DECtalk to speak and/or sing. These users almost<br>> certainly fit into all the previous classes of users I've discussed. I <br>
> fit<br>> somewhere in the third class of users, the more advanced DECtalkists. So<br>> as<br>> you can see, this SAPI is obviously targeted toward the more basic user,<br>> who<br>> just wants to use it with their screen reader or other SAPI-enabled<br>
> applications, nothing more.<br>><br>> Regarding the Speak windows, yes it's true that new hardware and new<br>> operating systems might come along under which the Speak windows won't<br>> run.<br>
> However, all is not truly lost even then. As long as, say, a virtual<br>> machine<br>> running XP can run under whatever native hardware/OS is being used, Speak<br>> can then be run under that. Not the most ideal solution I do admit, but<br>
> still, it's better than nothing.<br>><br>> I personally would like to see the SAPI provide all DECtalk's features,<br>> but<br>> it's clear to me that, for whatever reason, that's not going to happen.<br>
> Jayson<br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: <<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>><br>> To: <<a href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:21 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST<br>><br>><br>>> _<a href="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_" target="_blank">http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_</a><br>
>> (<a href="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/" target="_blank">http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/</a>)<br>>><br>>> Ok, we have an unstable prototype that keeps crashing. I'm forcing<br>
> Dave<br>>> to keep it up until Corine tells him to remove it. It talks, but I<br>>> haven't<br>>> been able to get it to say anything this morning.<br>>><br>>> Basically the plan is to reset it to Klattalk settings but call it<br>
>> Dectalk<br>>> Classic. And, it won't sing.<br>>><br>>><br>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN<br>>><br>>><br>>> In a message dated 6/28/2011 8:42:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>>> <a href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmisch2002@gmail.com</a> writes:<br>
>><br>>> so how is that version coming along and are the other languages going<br>> to<br>>> be included or just us english?<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:33 PM, FRIDO ORDEMANN wrote:<br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> There are other users of DECtalk than those who use it for singing.<br>>><br>>><br>>> ____________________________________<br>>> From: "_Dectalk@aol.com_ (mailto:<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>) " <_Dectalk@aol.com_<br>
>> (mailto:<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>) ><br>>> To: _dectalk@bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:<a href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a>)<br>
>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 2:10:43 PM<br>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST<br>>><br>>> Actually I was scared I was removed for exploding on the list last<br>> night.<br>>> I also find it odd that Corine never apologized for her misleading <br>
>> post.<br>>> I'm still in total shock at how her post was worded. And to post that<br>> on<br>>> the list when we all have a speak window or other form of Dectalk.<br>> Heck,<br>>> if<br>
>> I did have a singing SAPI, why would anyone buy her non-singing<br>> version?<br>>><br>>> That post just totally made no sense to me. I still feel bad about my<br>>> response, but I was and still am angry.<br>
>><br>>><br>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN<br>>><br>>><br>>> In a message dated 6/27/2011 1:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>>> _linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com_ (mailto:<a href="mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com" target="_blank">linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com</a>) writes:<br>
>><br>>> Your message came through. It's all good.<br>>><br>>> Alex<br>>><br>>> On 6/27/2011 12:58 PM, _Dectalk@aol.com_ (mailto:<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@aol.com</a>)<br>
> wrote:<br>>> My mail got too full, so I'm just making sure everything is ok.<br>>><br>>><br>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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