<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I see. would be glad if this can be fixed at some point in the future. <div><br><div><div>On May 4, 2011, at 6:40 PM, <a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><strong><font size="4">I have no hope. The head person in charge of
creating the SAPI doesn't seem to know Dectalk and can't even tell one version
from the other. Blake and I both got told we don't know what we are
talking about.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="4">It sounds like more time and money is going into the
project. But as long as the head programmer has a bad ear, I think it's
totally hopeless!</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="4">SNOOPI BOTTEN </font></strong></div>
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<div>In a message dated 5/4/2011 4:53:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="mailto:beroberts@hughes.net">beroberts@hughes.net</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Thanks
everyone for the feedback thus far about the SAPI Dectalk version<br>referred
to as 4.3. Keep it coming! You guys have come to some of the<br>conclusions
that Snoopi and I have experienced as testers.<br><br>The current SAPI Dectalk
definitely needs fixing. As a number of list<br>members have said, most of the
voices sound awful. I understand that some<br>list members find SAPI
Dectalk to be somewhat acceptable, as each<br>individual has the right to
his/her own oppinion. I think most of us agree<br>there is room for
improvement prior to release and wide acceptance.<br><br>There's something
else that I think all of you should be aware of. Work has<br>been done on a
speak window of the SAPI Dectalk 4.3. Like SAPI Dectalk, the<br>speak window
definitely needs improvement. There are two reasons for this.<br>First, there
is no spken message when an error is encountered, such as when<br>Dectalk
stops singing. For those of us who are blind, this presents a<br>serious
problem because we don't know exactly what the error is or where it<br>is. The
second Speak Window issue is that there are no keyboard shortcuts<br>yet for
play, stop and pause. The addition of keyboard shortcuts was<br>previously
pointed out to a programmer involved. Snoopi and I were told
the<br>aforementioned keyboard shortcuts are in the works.<br><br>As a
long-time Dectalkist, I am uncertain if the SAPI Dectalk can be made
to<br>sing on its own. It is possible that us blind people will need to
make<br>Dectalk sing using the Speak Window, as has been the case in years
past. As<br>I've said, both SAPI Dectalk and the speak window can benefit
from<br>improvement.<br><br>If any list members would like to test out the
speak window, write me off<br>list and I will send it as a zip file. For
people on Gmail, I'll come up<br>with some other compression method, such as
7-zip. I am making this offer to<br>share the speak window because I think you
all need to know about both items<br>that need
fixing.<br>Blake<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
<a href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com">dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a><br>[mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com]
On Behalf Of Raymond Grote<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:17 PM<br>To:
DECtalk Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?<br><br>Heck no. If
they're going to release this, then I would feel the same way.<br>But I had
always thought this was a test and would sound significantly<br>different
later?<br>So were they really planning on releasing it like this?<br>I really
do hope not. As I said in previous posts, someone really messsed it<br>up, and
we have to fix it somehow, otherwise only people who are curious<br>will ever
use it.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br><br> From:
<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> <br> To: <a href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com">dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a> <br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:24 PM<br> Subject: Re:
[DECtalk] Any news?<br><br> <br> The real question
is, would people pay for a partially working SAPI?<br>I personally
wouldn't. <br> <br> <br>
SNOOPI BOTTEN <br> <br> In a message
dated 5/4/2011 1:16:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br><a href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com">bmisch2002@gmail.com</a>
writes:<br><br> you are hearing it wright. some of
the voices are good like<br>paul, frank, harry, and probably one other voices.
if people just want to<br>use paul for nvda and other things, it's ok for that
but if people want to<br>make dectalk do certain things like sing, this isn't
as good but for people<br>who just want to use it with a screen reader and
nothing more, it's ok for<br>that. <br><br>
On May 4, 2011, at 1:06 PM, <a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br><br>
<br> I'm
too mad to deal with it. Blake and I got asked<br>how to make Dectalk
sing, so we sent them a file. We both got told that we<br>don't know
what we're doing. Then we're told that it will sing with
no<br>problem, Um, it won't. I had Blake send "WE ARE THE WORLD"
for the simple<br>fact that if they ever get that to sing clear through with
no feedback, we<br>will have something to work with.<br>
<br> As of
now, we are working with garbage! That's why<br>I'm against posting
samples because this stuff is mostly crap. They call it<br>4.3, I
don't! This is as far from 4.anything as you can get!<br>
<br>
Some of these people are on this list. Maybe they<br>will finally
get that the gn command on some voices is set too high, the<br>consonant
sounds are not clearly heard, and ugh I could go on and on.<br>
<br>
I might not get another SAPI after posting the demo.<br>I don't
care. This is trash, and I'm tired of being told I'm not hearing
it<br>right. I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion.<br>
<br>
<br> SNOOPI BOTTEN
<br> <br>
In a message dated 5/4/2011 12:41:05 P.M.
Eastern<br>Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com">bmisch2002@gmail.com</a> writes:<br><br>
i hope you show this sample to those
who are<br>telling you that there is no problem. <br><br>
On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM,
<a href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</a><br>wrote:<br><br><br>
<br>
<br><a href="http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3">http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3</a><br>
<br>
The above link
is the sample that<br>people wanted. Blake and I are both told that
there is no problem. Tell<br>that to our ears. (YUCK) <br>
<br>
<br>
SNOOPI BOTTEN <br>
<br>
In a message dated 5/4/2011
11:16:00<br>A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edbruckert@gmail.com
writes:<br><br>
All that means is what you<br>are sent is not acceptable
don't worry it'll be solved I promise at this<br>point in my life I need it as
much as anybody else<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 4,
2011 at 10:48<br>AM, <Dectalk@aol.com> wrote:<br>
<br><br>
<br>
Brace yourselves<br>because I don't
think you guys will like it. The very worst voice is Kit.<br>I'd do the
recording for you guys but I really don't want to be linked with<br>this pour
Dectalk quality. Have fun guys.<br>
<br>
<br>
SNOOPI BOTTEN
<br>
<br>
In a message
dated<br>5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ratguy@insightbb.com
writes:<br><br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Here's a<br>sample
text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the text? An <br>
MP3 of the<br>4.3 speak application performing this exact
text can be found at<br>
<br>http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3<br>
Now here's<br>the text.<br>
<br>
[:phoneme<br>on]<br>
[:np] [:ra<br>250]<br>
Hello. This<br>is the factory default Paul voice.<br>
I'm talking<br>now with this voice since this is what most
people are probably <br>
going to
be<br>using. Let's speed it up a bit.<br>
[:ra 300]<br>
This is<br>probably how
Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's put some <br>
intonation<br>in there.<br>
[:dv pr 250]<br>[:dv sr 50]<br>
Okay,
this<br>is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the good old DOS
<br>
days. With<br>4.3 and earlier, if
you could get used to this which you would <br>
over time,<br>this sounds pretty good! It'd take some getting used to
again, <br>
not having<br>had it for so
long.<br>
[:np] [:ra<br>250]<br>
The rest of<br>this demo was created a few months ago to
compair and test the <br>
various<br>other factory voices and several custom voices in different DECtalk
<br>
versions.<br>
I will now<br>test the other voices.<br>
[:nb] I'm<br>Beautiful Betty, the default female
voice.<br>
[:nh] I'm<br>Huge
Harry.<br>
[:nd] I'm<br>Doctor
Dennis.<br>
[:nf] I'm<br>Frail
Frank.<br>
[:nu] I'm<br>Uppity
Ursula.<br>
[:nr] I'm<br>Rough
Rita.<br>
[:nw] I'm<br>Whispering
Wendy.<br>
[:nk] and<br>I'm Kit the
Kid.<br>
[:np]<br>
Now I'll let<br>the DECtalk manual describe us.<br>
[:np]<br>Perfect Paul
Standard male voice.<br>
[:nb]<br>Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.<br>
[:nh]<br>Huge Harry Deep male voice.<br>
[:nf]<br>Frail Frank
Older male voice.<br>
[:nk]<br>Kit the Kid Child's
voice (about 10 years<br>
old).<br>
[:nr]<br>Rough Rita Deep
female voice.<br>
[:nu]<br>Uppity
Ursula Light female voice.<br>
[:nd]<br>Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.<br>
[:nw]<br>Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.<br>
<br>
[:np]<br>
Okay, let's<br>test a few custom
voices.<br>
[:nf] [:dv<br>br 0 la 0 sr
100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is the voice <br>
of Rimmer<br>from Red Dwarf.<br>
Lister, we<br>are being tested! I don't know what to do!<br>
[:nf] [:ra<br>240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100
pr 220 hr 30 sr 30] This is <br>
Lister.<br>
Rimmer! Come<br>over here and
help me with this new speech synthesizer!<br>
[:np] [:dv<br>as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
This is <br>
Holly.<br>
This is an<br>important announcement. All persons aboard
this ship are to <br>
report to<br>the voice
calibration office at once. That is all.<br>
[:np] [:dv<br>br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110 pr 150
sx <br>
1 la 0]<br>[:ra 210] This is the
voice of the toaster.<br>
I don't
know<br>where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone want some
<br>
toast?<br>
[:np] [:dv<br>sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the
cat.<br>
Who says my<br>voice needs to be
calibrated? I want fishies!<br>
[:nd]
[:dv<br>as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm Queeg
500.<br>
None of you<br>have any credit, so
you may not use the voice calibrator.<br>
[:nu] [:dv<br>as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap 130] [:ra
<br>
240] I'm the<br>newer voice of
Holly.<br>
I'm picking<br>something up.
It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk or <br>
something<br>very close. They have been conducting an experiment on us
all this <br>
time. That<br>would explain
why we've been saying all these silly things. I <br>
knew I was<br>having trouble finding a record of any voice
calibration office <br>
on
Red<br>Dwarf.<br>
<br>
-----<br>Original Message ----- <br>
From:<br>"Corine Bickley"
<corine.bickley@gallaudet.edu><br>
To: "DECtalk<br>Discussions" <dectalk@bluegrasspals.com><br>
Sent:<br>Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM<br>
Subject: Re:<br>[DECtalk] Any news?<br>
<br>
<br>
> HI Jayson,<br>
> I will do<br>that. Could you suggest some sample
sentences to synthesize?<br>
>
We're<br>trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
Enable<br>
> website so<br>people can
type in any text they'd like to hear, but our<br>
> programmer<br>hasn't been able to spend time on that project right
now.<br>
> corine<br>
><br>
> On Tue,<br>May 3,
2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:<br>
>> Do you<br>have any audio samples you
could share? Maybe I could elaborate on<br>
>> what<br>people don't like. I pretty much know what DT 4.3 sounds
like.<br>
>> Jayson<br>
>><br>
>>
-----<br>Original Message -----<br>
>>
From:<br>"Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley@gallaudet.edu><br>
>> To:<br>"DECtalk Discussions"
<dectalk@bluegrasspals.com><br>
>>
Sent:<br>Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM<br>
>> Subject:<br>Re: [DECtalk] Any news?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>>i meant -<br>i can't hear the
differences, not being so attuned to the<br>
>>> various<br>DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
the<br>
>>><br>differences in
quality.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue,<br>May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson
Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> <br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>
Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Wo, you<br>actually got 4.3 working with
SAPI? What kind of quality <br>
>>>><br>problems<br>
>>>> are<br>there?<br>
>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
-----<br>Original Message -----<br>
>>>> From:<br>"Corine Bickley"
<corine.bickley@gallaudet.edu><br>
>>>> To:<br>"DECtalk Discussions"
<dectalk@bluegrasspals.com><br>
>>>> Sent:<br>Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM<br>
>>>><br>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any
news?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Still<br>waiting for one of the "old" (not
chronologically, just in terms<br>
>>>>> of<br>contact with DT) to send some more versions for
testing.<br>
>>>>>
4.3<br>and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening results<br>
>>>>><br>indicate
dissatisfaction.<br>
>>>>>
corine<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On<br>Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
<ratguy@insightbb.com><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Okay,<br>it's broken record time. Anything new going
on with the SAPI<br>
>>>>>><br>DECtalk?<br>
>>>>>><br>Haven't heard anything in a while.<br>
>>>>>><br>Jayson<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>_______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>><br>DECtalk mailing
list<br>
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list<br>
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>>>><br>
>>>><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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