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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm well familiar with QWS. Used it to create
a few songs. Still trying to think of something to use for this
sample. Might have to play something where I know the lyrics and send
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jayson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:21
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DECtalk] Midi
conversion?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>QWS, a popular and accessible midi
sequencer could be used to do the stripping down for those of you windows
screen-reader types.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://qws.andreLouis.com">http://qws.andreLouis.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As an aside, john, if this thing needs scripting
to work with jaws let me know, although I can't se it being necessary from
what you have said.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I concur that licensing DECtalk would be a bit on
the problematic side and suppose merging or even pasting the text in would be
a better way to go about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>HTH,<BR>Sean R.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR>At the
touch of love everyone becomes a poet. - Plato<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:47
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DECtalk] Midi
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Jayson,<BR>Thanks for your questions.<BR>You're right
about the licensing. It would require a license for DECtalk.<BR>The program
could be distributed in a form that doesn't include DECtalk, if the user
would be content with just a function that merged the already phoneticized
DECtalk string with the midi file.<BR>The program works with just the first
track of the MIDI file, so in casese of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want
the first track to be the vocal track, rather than some other instrument. My
current implememtation doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there
are MIDI editor programs that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks
from the song and resave the stripped-down version.<BR>As for operating
systems, this program has worked under ME, and probably would work under 98
and 2000. I've been using XP during the last several years, as I've refined
the software, but the code doesn't depend on it's being used under XP.
<BR>The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is
defined as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the preceding
consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two notes,
such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early light....", the
solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it would be "2") in
the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme for the vowel, as
in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign two consecutive notes
to that syllable.<BR><BR>If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to
give the list a couple examples of how this works. <BR><BR>Does anyone have
a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for this
test?<BR><BR>Yours,<BR>John Eulenberg<BR><BR>Jayson Smith wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the explanation. I do have a
few more questions. One's about DECtalk itself. Does the
software actually have a DECtalk program in it, or does it call an
external program to play the song you've just created? If DECtalk is
bundled with the program, this might present a whole mess of licensing
concerns. Most of us in this community use the freely available
DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when, called
speak43.exe. I have written a small program called Playdec which
will allow for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk
files using the Speak43 application or any similar application. Let
me know if you want a copy. The license for my program is,
basically, do whatever you want with it but if you use my code somewhere
else I'd like credit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is your program only usable under XP?
That's not a problem for me or probably for most others, but I'm just
wondering if it actually requires XP or if it's just not been tested on
older systems such as 98.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My other question involves the translation of
MIDI notes into DECtalk code. Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI
file, and you create a DECtalk phonemic version of the text 'This is a
test'. Now, would the first note sing 'this', the second note sing
'is', the third note sing 'a', and the fourth note sing 'test'? If
so, what about the other four notes, would they be silent? In other
words, is it always assumed that one note equals one
syllable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jayson.</FONT></DIV>
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Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BIG><BIG>Dear Jayson et al.,<BR>Basically, the program,
which runs under Windows XP, presents three text windows: The first is
for English orthography (regular spelling); the second is for DECtalk
phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and the third is for the
fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the musical notes. You can
enter text into either the first window or the second window. If you
enter it into the first window, clicking a control button creates the
corresponding phonetic text in the second window for you automatically.
A separate navigation control allows you to select a midi file on your
computer. Then, once you have thus specified the phonetic text in the
second text window and the desired midi file, clicking a second control
button creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk text in the third text
window. This text can then be played by clicking a third control button.
Any of the texts can be copied to the clipboard for use in another
application. Also, one can hand-edit the text in all three windows at
any time.<BR><BR>I am working with Michigan State University on getting
this software available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal
license fee under $15.<BR><BR>As for accessibility of this software for
blind users, I think it would be accessible to a person using most
screen reading programs. I will give it a test with JAWS this
week.<BR><BR>Yours,<BR>John Eulenberg</BIG></BIG><BR><BR><BR>Jayson
Smith wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A few more questions if you don't
mind. I understand that this software is currently unavailable
to the public, and you'd need sufficient interest in order to release
it. With that said, I'd like to ask a few questions which might
let everybody know if this program would work for us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. What operating systems does the
program run under?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. How does it work? E.G.
what is the user interface like? Is it a deal where you write a
text script which describes what phonemes or sounds are to be put on
each note, or is it a graffical representation where you somehow find
the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic symbols on those notes
or something? If that's the way it is, it probably wouldn't be
that useful to most of us, as most of us on this list probably are
blind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think once there was talk of writing a
program to do something similar, but putting some generic phonemic
symbols on each note so you could then go in and manually put
the phonemes in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jayson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty
much a matter of clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property.
I'd be happy to look into it if there is sufficient
interest.<BR>John B. Eulenberg<BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">John Bryson Eulenberg
Professor
Director, Artificial Language Laboratory</PRE><BR>Jayson Smith
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has this software ever been made
available to the DECtalk community at large, or is it only
available for internal use? Just curious.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jayson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BIG><BIG>Dear Jayson et al,<BR>We have been
doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the Michigan
State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our own
proprietary software. Our main application has been for
nonspeaking people using a communication aid system such as
DynaVox. <BR>Our program allows the user to input either at the
phoneme level or at the level of orthographic representation
(regular spelling).<BR>Yours,<BR>John
Eulenberg</BIG></BIG><BR><BR>Jayson Smith wrote:
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type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hey,
Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files into proper
DECtalk format for singing? Obviously you'd have to put in the proper
phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have the notes and
durations converted.
Jayson.
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