[DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW

Alex H. linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
Mon May 23 19:20:09 EDT 2011


Hi Corine,

How are things going with this new version of the DECTalk SAPI? Are
things moving along as planned? Just curious.

Alex

On 5/23/11, Corine Bickley <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu> wrote:
> I'll check into the cost. We're working on a charity-enabled budget,
> as I don't expect to ever recover the costs we've put out so far. :)
> I'm trying to do what Dennis Klatt would have wanted. That's all.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Pitermach <pitermach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, there aren't that many issues, so  most of the sapi drivers around
>> are
>> very stable these days. This would include window-eyes, NVDA, and
>> dolphin's
>> SuperNova. Ditto for the tts to mp3 apps like text aloud and d-speech.
>> In my experience JAWS's sapi driver is very unstable and crashes for me
>> after ruffly a minute of usage with a lightweight synth. And it's not even
>> getting as much responsiveness as it could, though that's something you
>> don't need to be worried about - it's not your problem Smile.
>> Also, after you release the windows build, do you thinkl it would be
>> possible to develop dectalk for mac? Apple, like microsoft has a sapi
>> equivllent on mac for developping voices, which  amung other things can
>> work
>> with VoiceOver, the screen reader built into MacOSX.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: FRIDO ORDEMANN
>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>> One issue I have become concerned about is possible difficulties that
>> users
>> of DECtalk will encounter when they have certain screen readers installed.
>> If someone can summarize the group's experience with changing synthesizers
>> or changing screen readers, I'd appreciate knowing what sorts of problems
>> we're up against as we test out classic SAPI DECtalk. I don't want to
>> release something that causes people problems when they try to install
>> DECtalk but already have some other voices installed.
>> corine
>> ________________________________
>> From: Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> To: DECtalk Discussions <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 12:46:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting DECTalk
>> Access32 working w/ JFW
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Funny you mention that, because when JAWS 11 came out, people started
>> complaining to FS and they didn't say anything about DECTalk being not
>> supported back then, only that they couldn't reproduce the problem
>> (yeah right). Sounds like they're becoming lazy over there, I mean
>> it's probably a five line fix in some file or other and they just
>> don't care.
>>
>> The real question is if they'll keep the existing DT Access32 files
>> for future versions and just not provide any tech support for the
>> synth? That's sort of a band-aid way of doing it, but that's what
>> they'll probably do knowing FS.
>>
>> Fortunately if this doesn't work, we should have a classic SAPI
>> version of DECTalk that will be functional with any screen reader that
>> can use SAPI synths, so I'm not too worried.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/22/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree 100%.
>>>
>>> I talked to FS support last week, and they told me that Access 32 was
>>> not supported after JAWS 10.  So they know about the problems and
>>> apparently do not want to fix them.  Either that or they can't fix
>>> them.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> would be better if fs fixed it so you wouldn't have to change the name
>>>> of
>>>> eloquence.
>>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Alex!  This is awesome!  Great find!
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I've found a workaround to get DECTalk Access32 working with JFW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING WARNING WARNING: This isn't complicated, but it could leave
>>>>>> you with no speech if you're not careful and set up another voice
>>>>>> profile or don't have NVDA to fall back on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. You should really do this with an older version of JAWS if you have
>>>>>> any installed, or use NVDA or System Access, or even narrator to do
>>>>>> these steps to avoid conflicts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Assuming you've already tried to have Access32 set up as a voice
>>>>>> profile, just select that using insert-ctrl-s, and then the profile
>>>>>> name for DECTalk access32.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Open the start menu, Programs or All programs, Jaws 10/11/12,
>>>>>> Explore Program Files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Navigate to the Drivers\speech\eloq subdirectory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Rename eloq.jls to something else like "evil_eloq.jls"
>>>>>> Alternatively, you can simply move the file to another location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Reboot JAWS. You should now have DT access32 speech! Worked for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I am not responsible for any outcome of this, use at your own
>>>>>> risk. However, if something doesn't work you can always just rename
>>>>>> the file back to eloq.jls and things are good again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't tested to see if the Eloquence voice profile is saved if you
>>>>>> rename it back, but I don't use eloquence anyway, so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy and good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
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