[DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

Tue May 10 09:04:13 EDT 2011

read sounds more like one of the eloquence voices 

On May 10, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Corine Bickley wrote:

> Reed is the Eloquence voice being tested by the ASA standards group. I
> don't know Samantha.
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> That was what I meant by the samantha and Daniel voices. Is that the
>> vocalizer engine?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>> 
>> 
>>> Yeah, I don't mind the Vocalizer synth but the Samantha voice (on the
>>> Stream and IPod/iPad) sounds like a smoker, and the UK English is even
>>> more breathy sounding! But yes it's very clear and leaves hardly any
>>> footprint on the system.
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Some use Eloquence, but even that is getting rarer now. They're moving on
>>>> to
>>>> the vocalizer thing from real Speak i believe, the voice that comes with
>>>> the
>>>> Victor Stream. Personally I hate that voice. It's too breathy and hoarse.
>>>> But it is very clear.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>> Subject: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, changed the subj line to be more on topic.
>>>>> Here's an article i found explaining Force's DT release
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://thing1.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7167587442.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I find sort of sad is that DT has hardly been used in GPS systems
>>>>> and navigators, at least as far as I know. Most companies use the
>>>>> bulky sampled speech synthesizers like Ivona, AT&T voices, Loquendo,
>>>>> etc. Sure, DT isn't the most realistic synth, but at least it's
>>>>> understandable and runs more responsive on less taxing hardware
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I believe Force took over DT in early 2000 and released 4.61. They
>>>>>> claim in the 4.61 documentation that it's the first release of DT in
>>>>>> almost four years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> He'd probably be so frustrated that he'd go on this list and develop
>>>>>>> KlattTalk from scratch and be a very active member in helping port
>>>>>>> this awesome synth to as many platforms as humanly possible. DECTalk
>>>>>>> on the iPhone anyone?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Fonix and Force made some big no-nos in my opinion but they do make
>>>>>>> for some funny skits! :D
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well,, to be fair, Force destroyed it to begin with. I heard that the
>>>>>>>> original Dectalk code was lost so Fonix had to work with what Force
>>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>>> them or something. But still. I wonder what Dennis Klatt would say or
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> he was around to see that. Maybe I don't want to know.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, FonixTalk was a pretty big insult to DECTalk; I'm glad they at
>>>>>>>>> least renamed it before slaughtering it.  I bet I'd like FonixTalk
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> I hadn't heard the awesomeness of DECTAlk, but I did, so FTalk is
>>>>>>>>> pretty lame compared to it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dont bother with support unless you need to confirm  something you
>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>> expected. Some of the people there are very helpful but some of
>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> say, are just awful.
>>>>>>>>>> I wish Fonix would get involved. I don't see how they can let
>>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> die out. It's old, yes, but if we have to do something that Fonix
>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>> doing, then something is not quite right.
>>>>>>>>>> What is Fonix doing now anyway? Maybe they are working on something
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> that will make as big of a mark on speech synthesis?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Sounds like FS is being more jerky than before. I tried with
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>> 11 back in the day, and it worked just fine considering the
>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances. I mean, nobody should have to uninstall a synth to
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> another one working. I wish I could be more help, but I've not
>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS in forever (except an old Windows 2000 machine that has JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>> 8).
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the only thing to do is bug FS to death about it until
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> actually do something. Oh, and that's not an easy task given my
>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences with a PAC Mate. Ever been told how to propperly write
>>>>>>>>>>> Braille by an FS official? Pretty over the line.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I tried starting JAWS after uninstalling Eloquence with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> latest DECtalk drivers installed, I got an error saying shared
>>>>>>>>>>>> components were missing.  Am I not doing something correctly?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the original release of jaws 10 you don't need to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked then. however, if it's a later version you probably need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried uninstalling Eloquence, with the JAWS 12 Access 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, and I am still getting the shared components error.  I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try this with JAWS 10 and see what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, Brandon...I didn't try going back to the JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access 32 driver.  I'll try that and let you guys know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, before you did that did you replace the access 32 jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you got out of jaws 10 still there? think you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver that is in with jaws 12 to get this to work. me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i have a dectalk u s b otherwise, i would still be sending fs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken access 32 support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got an error from JAWS 12 when I tried starting JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling Eloquence.  What version did you try this with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have this problem?  Thanks, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alex!  I'll give that a shot!  If I have trouble,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS--I also have NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try uninstalling Eloquence. It's a dirty rotten hack, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's perminent, so DT only gets used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did this when I still used JAWS, there was some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wierd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values and I had to play with the rate and pitch sliders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snap back into action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just recently obtained a copy of DECtalk Access 32 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the version of DECtalk distributed with Kurzweil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way of making it work with JAWS on Windows 7?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs--it shows as running in task manager--but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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