[DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

Tue May 10 08:46:01 EDT 2011

Reed is the Eloquence voice being tested by the ASA standards group. I
don't know Samantha.

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> That was what I meant by the samantha and Daniel voices. Is that the
> vocalizer engine?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>
>
>> Yeah, I don't mind the Vocalizer synth but the Samantha voice (on the
>> Stream and IPod/iPad) sounds like a smoker, and the UK English is even
>> more breathy sounding! But yes it's very clear and leaves hardly any
>> footprint on the system.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Some use Eloquence, but even that is getting rarer now. They're moving on
>>> to
>>> the vocalizer thing from real Speak i believe, the voice that comes with
>>> the
>>> Victor Stream. Personally I hate that voice. It's too breathy and hoarse.
>>> But it is very clear.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, changed the subj line to be more on topic.
>>>> Here's an article i found explaining Force's DT release
>>>>
>>>> http://thing1.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7167587442.html
>>>>
>>>> What I find sort of sad is that DT has hardly been used in GPS systems
>>>> and navigators, at least as far as I know. Most companies use the
>>>> bulky sampled speech synthesizers like Ivona, AT&T voices, Loquendo,
>>>> etc. Sure, DT isn't the most realistic synth, but at least it's
>>>> understandable and runs more responsive on less taxing hardware
>>>> requirements.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I believe Force took over DT in early 2000 and released 4.61. They
>>>>> claim in the 4.61 documentation that it's the first release of DT in
>>>>> almost four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> He'd probably be so frustrated that he'd go on this list and develop
>>>>>> KlattTalk from scratch and be a very active member in helping port
>>>>>> this awesome synth to as many platforms as humanly possible. DECTalk
>>>>>> on the iPhone anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fonix and Force made some big no-nos in my opinion but they do make
>>>>>> for some funny skits! :D
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well,, to be fair, Force destroyed it to begin with. I heard that the
>>>>>>> original Dectalk code was lost so Fonix had to work with what Force
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> them or something. But still. I wonder what Dennis Klatt would say or
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> he was around to see that. Maybe I don't want to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, FonixTalk was a pretty big insult to DECTalk; I'm glad they at
>>>>>>>> least renamed it before slaughtering it.  I bet I'd like FonixTalk
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I hadn't heard the awesomeness of DECTAlk, but I did, so FTalk is
>>>>>>>> pretty lame compared to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dont bother with support unless you need to confirm  something you
>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> expected. Some of the people there are very helpful but some of
>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> say, are just awful.
>>>>>>>>> I wish Fonix would get involved. I don't see how they can let
>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> die out. It's old, yes, but if we have to do something that Fonix
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> doing, then something is not quite right.
>>>>>>>>> What is Fonix doing now anyway? Maybe they are working on something
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> that will make as big of a mark on speech synthesis?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Sounds like FS is being more jerky than before. I tried with
>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>> 11 back in the day, and it worked just fine considering the
>>>>>>>>>> circumstances. I mean, nobody should have to uninstall a synth to
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> another one working. I wish I could be more help, but I've not
>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>> JAWS in forever (except an old Windows 2000 machine that has JAWS
>>>>>>>>>> 8).
>>>>>>>>>> I guess the only thing to do is bug FS to death about it until
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> actually do something. Oh, and that's not an easy task given my
>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with a PAC Mate. Ever been told how to propperly write
>>>>>>>>>> Braille by an FS official? Pretty over the line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> When I tried starting JAWS after uninstalling Eloquence with the
>>>>>>>>>>> latest DECtalk drivers installed, I got an error saying shared
>>>>>>>>>>> components were missing.  Am I not doing something correctly?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the original release of jaws 10 you don't need to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked then. however, if it's a later version you probably need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried uninstalling Eloquence, with the JAWS 12 Access 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, and I am still getting the shared components error.  I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try this with JAWS 10 and see what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, Brandon...I didn't try going back to the JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access 32 driver.  I'll try that and let you guys know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, before you did that did you replace the access 32 jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you got out of jaws 10 still there? think you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver that is in with jaws 12 to get this to work. me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i have a dectalk u s b otherwise, i would still be sending fs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken access 32 support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got an error from JAWS 12 when I tried starting JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling Eloquence.  What version did you try this with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have this problem?  Thanks, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alex!  I'll give that a shot!  If I have trouble,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS--I also have NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try uninstalling Eloquence. It's a dirty rotten hack, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's perminent, so DT only gets used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did this when I still used JAWS, there was some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wierd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values and I had to play with the rate and pitch sliders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snap back into action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just recently obtained a copy of DECtalk Access 32 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the version of DECtalk distributed with Kurzweil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way of making it work with JAWS on Windows 7?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs--it shows as running in task manager--but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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