[DECtalk] Any news?
Alex H.
linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
Thu May 5 22:27:07 EDT 2011
Let's see if we can make crappy songs with this! Be back in a bit,
with some out of tune garbage!! :)
On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> It knows its time is up. Lol.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>
>
>> Lol! Tried that, yep, it's a E-flat then drops to a C with a little sigh.
>>
>> It's tired of sounding like crap so it sighs lol
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> And, I was able to make rather amusing sounds by putting one note in for
>>> singing. I put in a low c, and instead of being a low c, it was like a
>>> sigh
>>> of satisfaction. It started at an e, went down to a d, then got breathy
>>> and
>>> ended. I can clarify if needed. Maybe post a sample and the code I used.
>>> But
>>> it was funny.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was also under the impression that the testers were supposed to give
>>>> feedback about the project and so on, but when they did, they got
>>>> nothing but snide remarks that it's the same, "you don't know what
>>>> you're talking about," etc. That sort of thing is just not cool,
>>>> seeing as you're supposed to sell this! I hope nobody buys this just
>>>> to proove the point that this is just not even close to being ready
>>>> for any type of release!
>>>>
>>>> But I suppose, at this rate we're just screaming at the wind and
>>>> nothing will change.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm pretty sure it will. The least we can do is not buy it and
>>>>> discourage
>>>>> others from using it, unless they decide to make a change. I am hoping
>>>>> they
>>>>> will, but I'm very sure they won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds like it's going to be released no matter what and even if some
>>>>> on
>>>>> this list want it scrapped it looks like this will be released.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo! That's why it would be better to scrap it. If released as
>>>>> is,
>>>>> it messes with a dead man's life long reputation. I'm sick over this!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 7:21:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>> What's worse is that, if this gets released in its current state,
>>>>> any
>>>>> good
>>>>> name DECtalk may have had will get tarnished. We all thought
>>>>> Force
>>>>> did
>>>>> horrible things with it. Now this! Someone who sees that a SAPI
>>>>> version of
>>>>> DECtalk is available is likely to get excited if they know what
>>>>> DECtalk is.
>>>>> When they put down their bucks to actually buy the thing, I hate
>>>>> to
>>>>> even
>>>>> think what the reactions will be. This is ridiculous, and an
>>>>> insult
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> Dennis Klatt.
>>>>> Someone who just wants a SAPI synth who has no idea what DECtalk
>>>>> is
>>>>> might
>>>>> find the Paul voice acceptable. It sounds like an old guy, which
>>>>> is
>>>>> certainly *not!* how it's supposed to sound. But I'd love to tell
>>>>> such
>>>>> a
>>>>> person to type [:nu] and see what happens after that.
>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I guess they're just tired of hearing that something's wrong?
>>>>> Sounds
>>>>> > like a give-up stratagy to me. Funny thing is, probably nobody
>>>>> will
>>>>> > buy this unless they want to just use Paul or enjoy the sounds
>>>>> of
>>>>> > clipping mutated DECTalks or something.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Alex
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 5/5/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> What the? This product, as we've seen it, is absolutely
>>>>> nowhere
>>>>> near
>>>>> >> ready
>>>>> >> for release. It has several obvious bugs. One of the more
>>>>> crippling
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> totally ridiculous in my opinion is that some of the factory
>>>>> default
>>>>> >> voices
>>>>> >> are virtually unusable because their parameters are incorrect.
>>>>> Factory
>>>>> >> voices, mind you. Not something some user has messed around
>>>>> with
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> screwed
>>>>> >> up. Default voices, which are supposed to be usable. Sigh.
>>>>> >> Jayson
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: <Dectalk at aol.com>
>>>>> >> To: <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:54 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Ugh! I just got word. The programmer won't be allowed to
>>>>> join
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>> they're doing an "As is" release. (SIGH)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I can't write any more.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 4:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I see. hope that this project gets fixed soon.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On May 5, 2011, at 4:12 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Just so everyone knows, I'm not talking about Ed at all.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> someone
>>>>> >>> else and I've been instructed not to post the name.
>>>>> Actually
>>>>> I've been
>>>>> >>> told
>>>>> >>> to stop writing about the programmer. But just to be clear,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> not
>>>>> >>> Ed,
>>>>> >>> it's someone else.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:54:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Very understandable. I did too, after hearing what you were
>>>>> told.
>>>>> I
>>>>> >>> really
>>>>> >>> hoep we can get him on this list and see what comes out of
>>>>> it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>> >>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:44 PM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Maybe if we all ask nicely, someone who knows the programmer
>>>>> will
>>>>> get
>>>>> >>> that
>>>>> >>> person on here. I just might not post anything if this
>>>>> person
>>>>> does
>>>>> >>> show
>>>>> >>> up. After all, I got told I don't know what I'm talking
>>>>> about.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This person is smart, I just needed to vent. I work out of
>>>>> a
>>>>> bedroom,
>>>>> >>> I'm
>>>>> >>> kind of trapped here because the house is not wheelchair
>>>>> accessible,
>>>>> >>> and
>>>>> >>> after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about, I
>>>>> needed
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>> vent.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:32:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I'd like to chat with him at some point and help him out if
>>>>> I
>>>>> could.
>>>>> >>> I'm
>>>>> >>> sure some of us would too. Some changes really need to be
>>>>> made.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>> >>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:57 PM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I have total faith in this list! We all know what we're
>>>>> doing,
>>>>> so lets
>>>>> >>> work together and come up with something for this
>>>>> programmer.
>>>>> I
>>>>> know
>>>>> >>> this
>>>>> >>> person is doing their best, but this is guess work. Maybe
>>>>> we
>>>>> can
>>>>> take
>>>>> >>> some
>>>>> >>> of the guessing out of it? Lets show this person we know
>>>>> our
>>>>> stuff!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 2:47:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I don't think it's much use. As I have been saying, someone
>>>>> has
>>>>> messsed
>>>>> >>> up
>>>>> >>> because of lack of knowledge, and is being rather stubborn
>>>>> about
>>>>> >>> admitting
>>>>> >>> that something needs fixed.
>>>>> >>> If we as a list could somehow make it work, I'd say this
>>>>> thing
>>>>> would be
>>>>> >>> turning a whole new direction. For now we can only provide
>>>>> feedback and
>>>>> >>> test.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: _Brandon Misch_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)
>>>>> >>> To: _DECtalk Discussions_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:28 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> i see where you're coming from. have you shown the
>>>>> programmers
>>>>> other
>>>>> >>> samples like 4.61 etc? maybe you can show them voices like
>>>>> betty
>>>>> so
>>>>> >>> they
>>>>> >>> can see
>>>>> >>> where the loud pops are coming from.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On May 5, 2011, at 5:59 AM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a
>>>>> sample
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> version
>>>>> >>> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound.
>>>>> We
>>>>> got an
>>>>> >>> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This
>>>>> person
>>>>> actually
>>>>> >>> said
>>>>> >>> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why
>>>>> does
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>> person
>>>>> >>> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't
>>>>> know
>>>>> >>> Dectalk.
>>>>> >>> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope
>>>>> if
>>>>> getting
>>>>> >>> anything right.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped
>>>>> because
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>> is
>>>>> >>> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>> _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they
>>>>> could hear
>>>>> >>> that and how the other voices sound.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is
>>>>> convince
>>>>> this guy
>>>>> >>>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in
>>>>> this
>>>>> version
>>>>> >>>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a
>>>>> early
>>>>> age
>>>>> >>>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Alex
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 5/4/11, _johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com)
>>>>> >>> <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_ (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk,
>>>>> guess
>>>>> it's
>>>>> >>> time to
>>>>> >>>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad
>>>>> the
>>>>> head
>>>>> >>> programer
>>>>> >>>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>> >>> versions.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of
>>>>> Dectalk.
>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <_beroberts at hughes.net_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:beroberts at hughes.net) >
>>>>> >>>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out
>>>>> need
>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/
>>>>> drop-out
>>>>> >>> issues.
>>>>> >>>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>> is
>>>>> unlike
>>>>> >>> any
>>>>> >>>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am
>>>>> unwilling
>>>>> to
>>>>> give
>>>>> >>>>>> up
>>>>> >>> on
>>>>> >>>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>>> >>>>>> Blake
>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>>>>> From: _dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> H.
>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>> >>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> >>>>>> terrible.
>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong,
>>>>> but
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>> >>>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but
>>>>> yeah
>>>>> >>>>>> there's
>>>>> >>> some
>>>>> >>>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>> Ursula
>>>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>> Rita.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good
>>>>> things
>>>>> come
>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>> those
>>>>> >>>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other
>>>>> users
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>> NVDA
>>>>> >>>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Alex
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> >>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right
>>>>> to
>>>>> sell,
>>>>> >>>>>>> not
>>>>> >>>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of
>>>>> DECtalk
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>>>>> still
>>>>> >>>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>> >>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <_bmisch2002 at gmail.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will
>>>>> please
>>>>> >>> everyone.
>>>>> >>>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to
>>>>> 4.6.7
>>>>> from
>>>>> >>>>>>> fonix
>>>>> >>>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a
>>>>> good
>>>>> idea.
>>>>> >>>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of
>>>>> dectalk?
>>>>> or
>>>>> >>>>>>> just
>>>>> >>> with
>>>>> >>>>>> this version?
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I
>>>>> really
>>>>> never
>>>>> >>>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of
>>>>> the
>>>>> synth
>>>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>>>> >>>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a
>>>>> regular
>>>>> >>>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us
>>>>> is
>>>>> it
>>>>> >>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> >>>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is
>>>>> unusable.
>>>>> >>>>>>>> From
>>>>> >>>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound
>>>>> like
>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4.6.4,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi
>>>>> 5
>>>>> synth.
>>>>> >>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound
>>>>> like
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>> but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of
>>>>> reminds
>>>>> me
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more
>>>>> inflection
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> than
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in
>>>>> synthes,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with
>>>>> a
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and
>>>>> make
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a
>>>>> file
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others,
>>>>> it
>>>>> works
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the
>>>>> sapi
>>>>> dectalk
>>>>> >>> from?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can
>>>>> see
>>>>> what
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3_
>>>>> >>> (http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted.
>>>>> Blake
>>>>> and I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to
>>>>> our
>>>>> ears.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern
>>>>> Daylight
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _edbruckert at gmail.com_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not
>>>>> acceptable
>>>>> don't
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>> much
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will
>>>>> like
>>>>> it.
>>>>> >>> The
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you
>>>>> guys
>>>>> but I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> quality.
>>>>> >>> Have
>>>>> >>>>>> fun guys.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern
>>>>> Daylight
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk
>>>>> commands in
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this
>>>>> exact
>>>>> text can
>>>>> >>> be
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3_
>>>>> >>> (http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what
>>>>> most
>>>>> people
>>>>> >>> are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a
>>>>> bit.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk
>>>>> normally.
>>>>> Now
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> let's
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk
>>>>> back
>>>>> in the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd
>>>>> take
>>>>> some
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so
>>>>> long.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago
>>>>> to
>>>>> compair
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several
>>>>> custom
>>>>> voices
>>>>> >>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female
>>>>> voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10
>>>>> years
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>> 220] This
>>>>> >>> is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to
>>>>> do!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220
>>>>> hr
>>>>> 30 sr
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 30]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new
>>>>> speech
>>>>> >>> synthesizer!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr
>>>>> 0]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 220]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons
>>>>> aboard
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ship
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at
>>>>> once.
>>>>> That is
>>>>> >>> all.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100
>>>>> qu
>>>>> 100 ap
>>>>> >>> 110
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the
>>>>> toaster.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is.
>>>>> Does
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm
>>>>> the
>>>>> cat.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want
>>>>> fishies!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>> 220]
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the
>>>>> voice
>>>>> >>> calibrator.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr
>>>>> 100
>>>>> sr
>>>>> 20 ap
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its
>>>>> name
>>>>> is
>>>>> Deck
>>>>> >>> Talk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting
>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> experiment
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all
>>>>> these
>>>>> silly
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any
>>>>> voice
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample
>>>>> sentences
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play"
>>>>> button
>>>>> on the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text
>>>>> they'd
>>>>> like to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend
>>>>> time
>>>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>>> project right now.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share?
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> could
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much
>>>>> know
>>>>> what
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being
>>>>> so
>>>>> attuned
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> clear
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not
>>>>> chronologically,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some
>>>>> more
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary
>>>>> listening
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new
>>>>> going
>>>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>> >>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ____________________________________
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ____________________________________
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ____________________________________
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >>> DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>> >>> DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>> >>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >> DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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