[DECtalk] Any news?

Brandon Misch bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 08:33:12 EDT 2011 

i'm sure it will work and stuff will be improved like i said for a screen reader voice it sounds ok. kind of sounds like Mobile speak on cell phones. 

On May 5, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Raymond Grote wrote:

> Good idea.
> I just wish we could all have confidence and get into the mind set that 
> there is another way and that it may just happen one of these days.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> 
> 
> The programmers working on the SAPI version should be left out of our
> further discussions of what is wanted of DECtalk. Pls do not mention
> them again. The issue is closed.
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:59 AM,  <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of version
>> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound. We got an
>> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This person actually 
>> said
>> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why does this person
>> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>> 
>> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't know Dectalk.
>> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope if getting
>> anything right.
>> 
>> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because this is
>> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>> 
>> 
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>> 
>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>> 
>> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear 
>> that
>> and how the other voices sound.
>> 
>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>> 
>>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this guy
>>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this version
>>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
>>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's time
>>>> to
>>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head
>>>> programer
>>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
>>>> versions.
>>>> 
>>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <beroberts at hughes.net>
>>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
>>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out issues.
>>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike any
>>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up 
>>>>> on
>>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>>> Blake
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
>>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this doesn't
>>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's
>>>>> some
>>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with Ursula
>>>>> and
>>>>> Rita.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to
>>>>> those
>>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
>>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
>>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please
>>>>>> everyone.
>>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from fonix
>>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just
>>>>>> with
>>>>> this version?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
>>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but the
>>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
>>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection than
>>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
>>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with the
>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works but
>>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk
>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I are
>>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much as
>>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it. The
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality.
>>>>>>>>>> Have
>>>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the
>>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can be
>>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people are
>>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices in
>>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is
>>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech
>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
>>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is 
>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110
>>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice
>>>>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk
>>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly
>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
>>>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what DT
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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