[DECtalk] Any news?

Pitermach pitermach at gmail.com
Thu May 5 03:33:59 EDT 2011


I, too, agree. Something good could still come out of this.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?


>i agree with you guys. we shouldn't give up on dectalk just yet. it's 
>probably better than how it was a month ago. at least some of the voices 
>work.
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
>> improvement.  I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out issues.
>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk  referred to as 4.3 is unlike any
>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up on
>> SAPI Dectalk.
>> Blake
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>
>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this doesn't
>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>
>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's 
>> some
>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with Ursula 
>> and
>> Rita.
>>
>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to 
>> those
>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>>
>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please 
>>> everyone.
>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from fonix
>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just with
>> this version?
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
>>>> stilll do
>>>>
>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>>> my understanding,
>>>>
>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>
>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>>> that's all
>>>>
>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but the
>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either.  It kind of reminds me of
>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection than
>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>> them sound
>>>>>
>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with the
>>>>> demo
>>>>>
>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works but
>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk 
>>>>>> from?
>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted.  Blake and I are
>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem.  Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much as
>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it.  The
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit.  I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality.  Have
>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the
>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can be
>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people are
>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices in
>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>> [:np]       Perfect Paul           Standard male voice.
>>>>>>> [:nb]       Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>> [:nh]       Huge Harry      Deep male voice.
>>>>>>> [:nf]       Frail Frank            Older male voice.
>>>>>>> [:nk]       Kit the Kid             Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>> [:nr]       Rough Rita      Deep female voice.
>>>>>>> [:nu]       Uppity Ursula   Light female voice.
>>>>>>> [:nd]       Doctor Dennis   Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>> [:nw]       Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is
>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech synthesizer!
>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is all.
>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110
>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>> 1 la 0]  [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90  br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice 
>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk
>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly 
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
>> project right now.
>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what DT
>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned to
>>>>>>>>>> the  various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>>> the  differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more versions
>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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