[DECtalk] List UP?
ebruckert Bruckert
edbruckert at gmail.com
Tue Aug 30 16:00:51 EDT 2011
Such it does never created for DECtalk, however I could certainly aid
someone in advising them on how to make it easier. For this purpose a
special voice was created in DECtalk called variable valve(Dennis Klatt
liked alliteration). Since I am a totally incompetent Windows programmer I
can't do it, but I will have to look in the code to see if variable valve
still exists but it could be done anyway.
As I said the source code for the two apps I mentioned are available to
anyone I haven't done anything with them because of the above mentioned
reason. The real issue would be to develop an automatic gain tuner,
which which again could be done with some help, just to make the whole
process easier but it certainly can and has been done purely manually.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Jitendra Kumar
<jeet.invincible at gmail.com>wrote:
> someone already posted that a new speak window can be created,Hello
> friends, I also have a suggestion too, if you remember, many of you
> perhaps: that flextalk had an app called perhaps voice tool, that we
> used to create new voices, however I never able to make it sing, but
> such an app should also ship with DECTalk, so that we can create new
> voices with more or less inflection and pitch settings, and perhaps
> this option can be made available in the newer speak window itself,
> and when we create new voices, DECTalk should register the voice so
> each sapi5 app can make use of it. Thank you.
>
> On 8/30/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > No, but they just have a tendency to mess with the punctuation and
> > sort of commandeer it to their will, not taking into account that
> > somebody might have a clever synth like DECtalk. Anyways, I hear ya on
> > the abreviation issue. My iPod says 25 millibars instead of 25 MB for
> > filesizes. Or how about Windows 98 Southeast? Hahah!
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > On 8/29/11, Brent Harding <bharding at doorpi.net> wrote:
> >> I know, the automatic expansion of abbreviations drives a person up the
> >> wall
> >> trying to do critical things like medical transcription. I was listening
> >> to
> >> Jonathan Mosen do a demo of some self-voicing daisy editing app that FS
> >> bundles with the Plextalk, and kid me not, files sizes are measured in
> >> kerobytes. Is that what Microsoft does when you put kb next to a number?
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> >> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Just to clarify my earlier post, life would be great if Microsoft
> >>> didn't feel the need to muck about with how SAPI5 handles punctuation
> >>> and I'd love a singing sapi. The reality and how MS has done this
> >>> really makes it a royal pain, at least as far as I can tell with
> >>> little to no programming knowledge and just reading the documentation
> >>> on how this stuff works. The great thing if we were to have a modern
> >>> speak window for singing and skits and the SAPI for scren reading and
> >>> other text to speech programs is that it'll still be easy to export
> >>> songs and skits as wave files with minimal effort and ensure that this
> >>> program will run in Windows operating systems in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Ed for all the tweaking and coding that has to go into a
> >>> project like this. It's much appreciated. Things are looking up.
> >>>
> >>> Aelx
> >>>
> >>> On 8/29/11, Jake McMahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> To me, I think the whole dad gum thing is extremely impressive and
> it's
> >>>> coming along. I am looking forward to getting my hands on this thing
> >>>> when
> >>>> it is available, and using it in my DSpeech scripts and much more.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: ebruckert Bruckert
> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:09 PM
> >>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Okay sounds like you've done a thorough job. But I have two programs
> say
> >>>> the
> >>>> command line and batch mode program and speak which are both freely
> >>>> distributable in including source code and could certainly be included
> >>>> in
> >>>> any distribution.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Ed,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've done some digging about how to make the SAPI5 version of DT
> sing.
> >>>> It won't be easy to do this I'm afraid. Too many variables involved,
> >>>> and no program except ttsapp.exe will pipe the exact string you send
> >>>> to it to the SAPI5 engine. That's only part of the issue though.
> >>>> Firstly, SAPI5, as I thought, uses some low level punctuation
> >>>> filtering that comes even lower in the stack than things like text
> to
> >>>> MP3 programs, like Verbose or TextAloud, etc. Basically, the text to
> >>>> speech program (like textAloud) gets the text and adds its own
> >>>> punctuation rules to the text and sends this to SAPI, and SAPI does
> >>>> its own filtering/changing of the text string, so the original text
> >>>> gets lost early on in the chain. There's not any real easy way
> around
> >>>> this I'm afraid, after a good few hours reading MSDN articles and
> what
> >>>> not. Even when talking about changing text to be pronounced better
> (we
> >>>> could use this to make DT sing), SAPI unfortunately makes its own
> >>>> rules of phonemic definitions when you specify the proper tags [3].
> >>>> This basically means that it tries a one-size-fits-all approach and
> >>>> some synths that are SAPI compliant still won't speak the text as
> the
> >>>> SAPI phonemic string intends. In short, this would be a nightmare to
> >>>> implement using SAPI5. At least the way I see it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm thinking for the ease of use factor for singers, maybe the best
> >>>> idea is a SAPI dectalk installable synth that works wiht screen
> >>>> readers, and then a speak window bundled wiht it for singing. That
> >>>> way, nobody is messing with sapi protocols.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sources:
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms719574%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]
> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717252%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> [3]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2010/10/using-punctuation-and-mark-up-language.html
> >>>> [4]
> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms723638%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the hugely complex post, but I felt it was needed to
> explain
> >>>> further. As always, great work and i look forward to more testing.
> >>>> Alex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/29/11, jake mcmahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > On 8/29/2011 3:07 PM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
> >>>> >> These are all generated by just plopping the text into speak,
> since
> >>>> >> the scaling and interaction of these things has always varied
> >>>> slightly
> >>>> >> the the goal now is to try to adjust things the detailed stuff
> like
> >>>> >> little overloads for the last step.
> >>>> >> I'm not sure if I reset Paul or left them at the custom voice
> when
> >>>> I
> >>>> >> did the weather, so I'll resend the weather being sure it's
> regular
> >>>> >> Paul, but in fact if everybody likes the style we can modify
> those
> >>>> >> base parameters, as I already know that the pitch scaling is
> >>>> slightly
> >>>> >> different so will probably have to change the pitch things but
> >>>> that's
> >>>> >> the purpose of tweaking. On some of the voices that I fooled
> around
> >>>> >> was so much I really don't have a feel for what's better or
> worse.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Alex H. <
> linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Hi,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> First, excellent job! The custom Paul voice in the weather
> file
> >>>> is
> >>>> >> great. It has a lot of inflection and sounds like 4.4, which
> is
> >>>> pretty
> >>>> >> impressive. The test.wav is strange though. It's very buzzy
> and
> >>>> hard
> >>>> >> to understand. Just to clarify, for now, are we just testing
> >>>> the
> >>>> Paul
> >>>> >> voice?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The weather sample seems to be very articulate and precise.
> It
> >>>> doesn't
> >>>> >> have any of that slurring of old versions on certain words.
> >>>> This
> >>>>
> >>>> is
> >>>> >> great.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Just to hear the sample at a higher rate of speed, can you do
> >>>> the
> >>>> same
> >>>> >> text at about 350 wpm to see how it stands up?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I didn't hear any of the soft tones at the end of sentences,
> >>>> and
> >>>> even
> >>>> >> ran the file and amplified silences, and it's about 48 dB
> below
> >>>> >> normal, so it's pretty quiet as it is without the code to
> >>>> squash
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> humming.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thanks,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Alex
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 8/29/11, ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>> >> <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>> >> > First some baseline testing stuff. Do not over test it in
> >>>> other
> >>>> >> words in the
> >>>> >> > beginning this is a rough cut so if we get into too many
> >>>> details
> >>>> >> or changes
> >>>> >> > it will just all become mud. We should only make a few
> >>>> changes
> >>>> >> at a time,
> >>>> >> > the other problem may become differences of opinion
> >>>> especially
> >>>> >> with some of
> >>>> >> > the voices which were never very stable because we never
> >>>> really
> >>>> >> liked
> >>>> >> > exactly what we had. This is an old version of DECtalk so
> >>>> >> occasionally you
> >>>> >> > will hear little homes at the end of things during what
> >>>> should
> >>>> >> be silence.
> >>>> >> > This is a mathematical problem called a limit cycle when
> >>>> we're
> >>>> >> finished I'll
> >>>> >> > add the new code I developed to squelch it. It took us
> years
> >>>> to
> >>>> >> figure out a
> >>>> >> > way to get rid of it perceptually we never could get rid of
> >>>> it
> >>>> >> > mathematically. Lastly I had to change the gain of voicing
> on
> >>>> >> the modified
> >>>> >> > voice that was sent without going into a long explanation
> >>>> which
> >>>> >> I can later
> >>>> >> > if people want the gains of the cascade vocal track have
> >>>> never
> >>>> >> ever been
> >>>> >> > constant it's a mathematical issue where you're constantly
> >>>> >> trying to adjust
> >>>> >> > them between quantization and overload and we've never been
> >>>> able
> >>>> to
> >>>> >> > guarantee them.
> >>>> >> > Lastly people can think about singing. The problem is that
> >>>> most
> >>>> SAPI
> >>>> >> > applications strip stuff out so I'm looking for suggestions
> >>>> of
> >>>> >> how we could
> >>>> >> > fool it and tell DECtalk that it was supposed to go into
> >>>> >> phonemic mode so it
> >>>> >> > can sing. I don't know what can and cannot get through the
> >>>> various
> >>>> >> > applications and while
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Again don't put too much effort in two critical listening
> at
> >>>> >> this stage as
> >>>> >> > were not fine-tuning it just training 3n where targets are
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jake mcmahan
> >>>>
> >>>> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
> >>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >> On 8/29/2011 11:52 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Hello everyone the good news is I had a generator the bad
> >>>> news
> >>>> >> is I had to
> >>>> >> >> use it. I'm having trouble with the 2008 free edition of
> >>>> visual
> >>>> >> C I can't
> >>>> >> >> run the debugger. But before I uninstall and reinstall it
> I
> >>>> >> want to get
> >>>> >> >> this
> >>>> >> >> baseline out but it's a little bit painful because I can't
> >>>> run
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> >> debugger
> >>>> >> >> so I'm doing it by an archaic method. So it'll be out
> >>>> sometime
> >>>> >> today and
> >>>> >> >> then I'll reload visual C.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:11 PM, jake mcmahan
> >>>>
> >>>> >> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On 8/28/2011 11:40 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Ed K okay I'm ready. I have a base tuning of all the
> voices.
> >>>> So
> >>>> >> send me
> >>>> >> >> the
> >>>> >> >> various files to test with and we will try and get some
> >>>> >> agreement on the
> >>>> >> >> voices.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, ebruckert Bruckert
> >>>>
> >>>> >> <edbruckert at gmail.com <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> I was visiting my grandson, back to woek today.....
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Alex H.
> >>>> >> >> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Hi,
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Your message came through. DECTalk is alive and singing.
> :D
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Alex
> >>>> >> >> On 8/20/2011 11:22 PM, Doris and Chris wrote:
> >>>> >> >> > I have not seen any messages from this list in over a
> >>>> week.
> >>>> >> So I was
> >>>> >> >> > wondering if the list was down or if there is a problem
> at
> >>>> my
> >>>> >> end or
> >>>> >> >> > with my subscription.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > Cheers,
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > Doris
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >>>> >> >> --
> >>>> >> >> --
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> >>>> >> >>
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> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
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> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>> >> >> take this, for example. This is a weather file.
> >>>> >> >>
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> >>>>
> >>>> >> >> I gotcha man. If anyone can do it, you can dude
> >>>> >> >>
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> >>>> > again, nice job ed
> >>>> >
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