[DECtalk] Midi conversion?
Shaun Everiss
shaun.e at xtra.co.nz
Sat Jun 4 19:26:42 EDT 2005
I did try about 4 times with ie.
Some stuff will not go with ie but with gr so blart.
At 11:01 a.m. 5/06/2005, you wrote:
>probably a corrupt archive or zip-program pointer error.
>
>You should've redownloaded it a couple times, cleared cache etc first
>before asking (kudos if you did)
>
>Ciao,
>Sean R.
>
>
>Love is the answer, but while you're waiting for the answer, sex
>raises some pretty good questions. - Woody Allen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>
>
>funny.
>this error only happens on your site.
>I have the exact link, I am sure of it.
>However I just tried with getright and it looks like its done it so don't
>know.
>At 04:34 a.m. 5/06/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I'm not familiar with that error message at all, so have no idea what it
>>means. Sounds to me like it's trying to open up a local file on some
>>local
>>disk that doesn't exist. I hate to sound like Tech support staff trying
>>to
>>make sure you haven't done something totally stupid, but...
>>Are you sure you typed in the following URL exactly?
>>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>>If you are sure that's what you typed, and still can't get it, I'll send
>>it
>>via Email.
>>Jayson.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>>Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:32 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>
>>
>>> error, can't open file, unable to read source disk.
>>> I am using internet explorer 6.0sp2.
>>> At 07:03 p.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>>> >Hi,
>>> >Can you give an exact error message? Also, what browser are you
>>> >using?
>>> >Jayson.
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>>> >To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>>> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:25 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> jayson I can't download your mids.
>>> >> I try and it finds the file.
>>> >> I choose save.
>>> >> it says file name.
>>> >> I push enter and then it says it can't read the file from source.
>>> >> At 09:58 a.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>>> >> >Hi,
>>> >> >I made the MIDI files with Quick Windows Sequencer. It can be
>>> >> >found
>>at
>>> ><http://qws.andreLouis.com>http://qws.andreLouis.com
>>> >> >It's a free program written by a blind individual so as far as I
>>> >> >know
>>> >it's 100% accessible.
>>> >> >Jayson.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >From: <mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com>Nick Gawronski
>>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 PM
>>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Hi, What midi editor did you use to make these files and if it is
>>> >> >free
>>> >where can I download it and how accessible is it? Where is a good
>>> >place
>>to
>>> >get midi files of normal songs and a program to convert them to wav
>>files?
>>> >bye
>>> >> >My web page is at
>>> ><http://www.nickgawronski.com>http://www.nickgawronski.com
>>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >From: <mailto:ratguy at bellsouth.net>Jayson Smith
>>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:59 AM
>>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Hi,
>>> >> >I just made a few MIDI files for this purpose. You can grab them
>>> >> >at
>>the
>>> >following url.
>>> >> ><http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>>> >> >There are three files. The file row.mid is "Row, Row, Row your
>>> >> >Boat",
>>> >mary.mid is "Mary Had a Little Lam" and joy.mid is "Joy to the World"
>>(the
>>> >Christmas song and not the Three Dog Night song). I made all these
>>files.
>>> >They are all single-track files, and have nothing except the actual
>>> >notes
>>to
>>> >be sung. Just about everybody on this list will probably be familiar
>>with
>>> >these songs, so this shouldn't be a problem.
>>> >> >Joy actually really provides the only test of syllables being sung
>>over
>>> >multiple notes. Is there any provision for the opposite. I don't
>>> >even
>>have
>>> >a song in mind, but let's say there was a song with the word 'idea' in
>>it,
>>> >where the 'dea' part was to be sung on one note. Now, this
>>> >constitutes
>>two
>>> >distinct vowel sounds. Is the solution to make the midi accomodate
>>> >the
>>song
>>> >by putting in a double note in that instance? Actually, an actual
>>example
>>> >of this can be found in the song "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" in the
>>lyric
>>> >"To save us all from Satan's power". Here, the word 'power' is sung
>>> >on
>>one
>>> >note.
>>> >> >Jayson.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:47 AM
>>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Dear Jayson,
>>> >> >Thanks for your questions.
>>> >> >You're right about the licensing. It would require a license for
>>DECtalk.
>>> >> >The program could be distributed in a form that doesn't include
>>DECtalk,
>>> >if the user would be content with just a function that merged the
>>> >already
>>> >phoneticized DECtalk string with the midi file.
>>> >> >The program works with just the first track of the MIDI file, so in
>>> >casese of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want the first track to be
>>> >the
>>> >vocal track, rather than some other instrument. My current
>>> >implememtation
>>> >doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there are MIDI editor
>>programs
>>> >that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks from the song and
>>> >resave
>>> >the stripped-down version.
>>> >> >As for operating systems, this program has worked under ME, and
>>probably
>>> >would work under 98 and 2000. I've been using XP during the last
>>> >several
>>> >years, as I've refined the software, but the code doesn't depend on
>>> >it's
>>> >being used under XP.
>>> >> >The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is
>>> >defined as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the
>>> >preceding
>>> >consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two
>>notes,
>>> >such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early light....",
>>> >the
>>> >solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it would be "2")
>>> >in
>>> >the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme for the
>>> >vowel,
>>as
>>> >in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign two consecutive
>>notes
>>> >to that syllable.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to give the list a
>>couple
>>> >examples of how this works.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Does anyone have a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for
>>this
>>> >test?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yours,
>>> >> >John Eulenberg
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> >> >>Hi,
>>> >> >>Thanks for the explanation. I do have a few more questions.
>>> >> >>One's
>>> >about DECtalk itself. Does the software actually have a DECtalk
>>> >program
>>in
>>> >it, or does it call an external program to play the song you've just
>>> >created? If DECtalk is bundled with the program, this might present a
>>whole
>>> >mess of licensing concerns. Most of us in this community use the
>>> >freely
>>> >available DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when,
>>> >called
>>> >speak43.exe. I have written a small program called Playdec which will
>>allow
>>> >for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk files using
>>the
>>> >Speak43 application or any similar application. Let me know if you
>>> >want
>>a
>>> >copy. The license for my program is, basically, do whatever you want
>>with
>>> >it but if you use my code somewhere else I'd like credit.
>>> >> >>Is your program only usable under XP? That's not a problem for me
>>> >> >>or
>>> >probably for most others, but I'm just wondering if it actually
>>> >requires
>>XP
>>> >or if it's just not been tested on older systems such as 98.
>>> >> >>My other question involves the translation of MIDI notes into
>>> >> >>DECtalk
>>> >code. Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI file, and you create a
>>DECtalk
>>> >phonemic version of the text 'This is a test'. Now, would the first
>>> >note
>>> >sing 'this', the second note sing 'is', the third note sing 'a', and
>>> >the
>>> >fourth note sing 'test'? If so, what about the other four notes,
>>> >would
>>they
>>> >be silent? In other words, is it always assumed that one note equals
>>> >one
>>> >syllable?
>>> >> >>Thanks,
>>> >> >>Jayson.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>> >> >>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:20 AM
>>> >> >>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Dear Jayson et al.,
>>> >> >>Basically, the program, which runs under Windows XP, presents
>>> >> >>three
>>text
>>> >windows: The first is for English orthography (regular spelling); the
>>second
>>> >is for DECtalk phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and the
>>third
>>> >is for the fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the musical
>>> >notes.
>>You
>>> >can enter text into either the first window or the second window. If
>>> >you
>>> >enter it into the first window, clicking a control button creates the
>>> >corresponding phonetic text in the second window for you
>>> >automatically. A
>>> >separate navigation control allows you to select a midi file on your
>>> >computer. Then, once you have thus specified the phonetic text in the
>>second
>>> >text window and the desired midi file, clicking a second control
>>> >button
>>> >creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk text in the third text window.
>>> >This
>>> >text can then be played by clicking a third control button. Any of the
>>texts
>>> >can be copied to the clipboard for use in another application. Also,
>>> >one
>>can
>>> >hand-edit the text in a
>>> >> ll th
>>> >> ree windows at any time.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>I am working with Michigan State University on getting this
>>> >> >>software
>>> >available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal license fee
>>under
>>> >$15.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>As for accessibility of this software for blind users, I think it
>>would
>>> >be accessible to a person using most screen reading programs. I will
>>> >give
>>it
>>> >a test with JAWS this week.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Yours,
>>> >> >>John Eulenberg
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> >> >>>Hi,
>>> >> >>>A few more questions if you don't mind. I understand that this
>>> >software is currently unavailable to the public, and you'd need
>>sufficient
>>> >interest in order to release it. With that said, I'd like to ask a
>>> >few
>>> >questions which might let everybody know if this program would work
>>> >for
>>us.
>>> >> >>>1. What operating systems does the program run under?
>>> >> >>>2. How does it work? E.G. what is the user interface like? Is
>>> >> >>>it
>>a
>>> >deal where you write a text script which describes what phonemes or
>>sounds
>>> >are to be put on each note, or is it a graffical representation where
>>> >you
>>> >somehow find the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic symbols
>>> >on
>>> >those notes or something? If that's the way it is, it probably
>>> >wouldn't
>>be
>>> >that useful to most of us, as most of us on this list probably are
>>> >blind.
>>> >> >>>I think once there was talk of writing a program to do something
>>> >similar, but putting some generic phonemic symbols on each note so you
>>could
>>> >then go in and manually put the phonemes in.
>>> >> >>>Jayson.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John Eulenberg
>>> >> >>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 AM
>>> >> >>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty much a
>>> >> >>>matter
>>of
>>> >clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property. I'd be happy to look
>>into
>>> >it if there is sufficient interest.
>>> >> >>>John B. Eulenberg
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>John Bryson Eulenberg
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>Professor
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>>> >> >>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> >> >>>>Hi,
>>> >> >>>>Has this software ever been made available to the DECtalk
>>> >> >>>>community
>>at
>>> >large, or is it only available for internal use? Just curious.
>>> >> >>>>Jayson.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>> >> >>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>> >> >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:15 AM
>>> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Dear Jayson et al,
>>> >> >>>>We have been doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the
>>> >Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our
>>> >own
>>> >proprietary software. Our main application has been for nonspeaking
>>people
>>> >using a communication aid system such as DynaVox.
>>> >> >>>>Our program allows the user to input either at the phoneme level
>>> >> >>>>or
>>at
>>> >the level of orthographic representation (regular spelling).
>>> >> >>>>Yours,
>>> >> >>>>John Eulenberg
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>Hey,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files
>>into
>>> >proper
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>DECtalk format for singing? Obviously you'd have to put in the
>>> >proper
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have
>>> >> >>>>>the
>>> >notes and
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>durations converted.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>Jayson.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
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>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>--
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Professor
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Audiology and Speech Sciences
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>African Studies Center
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>405 Computer Center
>>> >> >>>>
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>>> >> >>>>
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>>> >> >>>>
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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >--
>>> >> >
>>> >> >John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Professor
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Audiology and Speech Sciences
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>>> >> >
>>> >> >African Studies Center
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>>> >> >
>>> >> >405 Computer Center
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Michigan State University
>>> >> >
>>> >> >East Lansing, MI 48824-1042
>>> >> >
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