[DECtalk] Midi conversion?

Sean Randall sean-r at runbox.com
Sat Jun 4 19:01:44 EDT 2005 

probably a corrupt archive or zip-program pointer error.

You should've redownloaded it a couple times, cleared cache etc first 
before asking (kudos if you did)

Ciao,
Sean R.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?


funny.
this error only happens on your site.
I have the exact link, I am sure of it.
However I just tried with getright and it looks like its done it so don't 
know.
At 04:34 a.m. 5/06/2005, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm not familiar with that error message at all, so have no idea what it
>means.  Sounds to me like it's trying to open up a local file on some 
>local
>disk that doesn't exist.  I hate to sound like Tech support staff trying 
>to
>make sure you haven't done something totally stupid, but...
>Are you sure you typed in the following URL exactly?
>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>If you are sure that's what you typed, and still can't get it, I'll send 
>it
>via Email.
>Jayson.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>
>
>> error, can't open file, unable to read source disk.
>> I am using internet explorer 6.0sp2.
>> At 07:03 p.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >Can you give an exact error message?  Also, what browser are you 
>> >using?
>> >Jayson.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>> >To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:25 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >
>> >
>> >> jayson I can't download your mids.
>> >> I try and it finds the file.
>> >> I choose save.
>> >> it says file name.
>> >> I push enter and then it says it can't read the file from source.
>> >> At 09:58 a.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >I made the MIDI files with Quick Windows Sequencer.  It can be 
>> >> >found
>at
>> ><http://qws.andreLouis.com>http://qws.andreLouis.com
>> >> >It's a free program written by a blind individual so as far as I 
>> >> >know
>> >it's 100% accessible.
>> >> >Jayson.
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: <mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com>Nick Gawronski
>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi, What midi editor did you use to make these files and if it is 
>> >> >free
>> >where can I download it and how accessible is it?  Where is a good 
>> >place
>to
>> >get midi files of normal songs and a program to convert them to wav
>files?
>> >bye
>> >> >My web page is at
>> ><http://www.nickgawronski.com>http://www.nickgawronski.com
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: <mailto:ratguy at bellsouth.net>Jayson Smith
>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:59 AM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >I just made a few MIDI files for this purpose.  You can grab them 
>> >> >at
>the
>> >following url.
>> >> ><http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>> >> >There are three files.  The file row.mid is "Row, Row, Row your 
>> >> >Boat",
>> >mary.mid is "Mary Had a Little Lam" and joy.mid is "Joy to the World"
>(the
>> >Christmas song and not the Three Dog Night song).  I made all these
>files.
>> >They are all single-track files, and have nothing except the actual 
>> >notes
>to
>> >be sung.  Just about everybody on this list will probably be familiar
>with
>> >these songs, so this shouldn't be a problem.
>> >> >Joy actually really provides the only test of syllables being sung
>over
>> >multiple notes.  Is there any provision for the opposite.  I don't 
>> >even
>have
>> >a song in mind, but let's say there was a song with the word 'idea' in
>it,
>> >where the 'dea' part was to be sung on one note.  Now, this 
>> >constitutes
>two
>> >distinct vowel sounds.  Is the solution to make the midi accomodate 
>> >the
>song
>> >by putting in a double note in that instance?  Actually, an actual
>example
>> >of this can be found in the song "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" in the
>lyric
>> >"To save us all from Satan's power".  Here, the word 'power' is sung 
>> >on
>one
>> >note.
>> >> >Jayson.
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:47 AM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >
>> >> >Dear Jayson,
>> >> >Thanks for your questions.
>> >> >You're right about the licensing. It would require a license for
>DECtalk.
>> >> >The program could be distributed in a form that doesn't include
>DECtalk,
>> >if the user would be content with just a function that merged the 
>> >already
>> >phoneticized DECtalk string with the midi file.
>> >> >The program works with just the first track of the MIDI file, so in
>> >casese of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want the first track to be 
>> >the
>> >vocal track, rather than some other instrument. My current 
>> >implememtation
>> >doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there are MIDI editor
>programs
>> >that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks from the song and 
>> >resave
>> >the stripped-down version.
>> >> >As for operating systems, this program has worked under ME, and
>probably
>> >would work under 98 and 2000. I've been using XP during the last 
>> >several
>> >years, as I've refined the software, but the code doesn't depend on 
>> >it's
>> >being used under XP.
>> >> >The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is
>> >defined as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the 
>> >preceding
>> >consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two
>notes,
>> >such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early light....", 
>> >the
>> >solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it would be "2") 
>> >in
>> >the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme for the 
>> >vowel,
>as
>> >in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign two consecutive
>notes
>> >to that syllable.
>> >> >
>> >> >If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to give the list a
>couple
>> >examples of how this works.
>> >> >
>> >> >Does anyone have a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for
>this
>> >test?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yours,
>> >> >John Eulenberg
>> >> >
>> >> >Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >> >>Hi,
>> >> >>Thanks for the explanation.  I do have a few more questions. 
>> >> >>One's
>> >about DECtalk itself.  Does the software actually have a DECtalk 
>> >program
>in
>> >it, or does it call an external program to play the song you've just
>> >created?  If DECtalk is bundled with the program, this might present a
>whole
>> >mess of licensing concerns.  Most of us in this community use the 
>> >freely
>> >available DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when, 
>> >called
>> >speak43.exe.  I have written a small program called Playdec which will
>allow
>> >for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk files using
>the
>> >Speak43 application or any similar application.  Let me know if you 
>> >want
>a
>> >copy.  The license for my program is, basically, do whatever you want
>with
>> >it but if you use my code somewhere else I'd like credit.
>> >> >>Is your program only usable under XP?  That's not a problem for me 
>> >> >>or
>> >probably for most others, but I'm just wondering if it actually 
>> >requires
>XP
>> >or if it's just not been tested on older systems such as 98.
>> >> >>My other question involves the translation of MIDI notes into 
>> >> >>DECtalk
>> >code.  Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI file, and you create a
>DECtalk
>> >phonemic version of the text 'This is a test'.  Now, would the first 
>> >note
>> >sing 'this', the second note sing 'is', the third note sing 'a', and 
>> >the
>> >fourth note sing 'test'?  If so, what about the other four notes, 
>> >would
>they
>> >be silent?  In other words, is it always assumed that one note equals 
>> >one
>> >syllable?
>> >> >>Thanks,
>> >> >>Jayson.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >> >>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >> >>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Dear Jayson et al.,
>> >> >>Basically, the program, which runs under Windows XP, presents 
>> >> >>three
>text
>> >windows: The first is for English orthography (regular spelling); the
>second
>> >is for DECtalk phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and the
>third
>> >is for the fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the musical 
>> >notes.
>You
>> >can enter text into either the first window or the second window. If 
>> >you
>> >enter it into the first window, clicking a control button creates the
>> >corresponding phonetic text in the second window for you 
>> >automatically. A
>> >separate navigation control allows you to select a midi file on your
>> >computer. Then, once you have thus specified the phonetic text in the
>second
>> >text window and the desired midi file, clicking a second control 
>> >button
>> >creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk text in the third text window. 
>> >This
>> >text can then be played by clicking a third control button. Any of the
>texts
>> >can be copied to the clipboard for use in another application. Also, 
>> >one
>can
>> >hand-edit the text in a
>> >>  ll th
>> >> ree windows at any time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I am working with Michigan State University on getting this 
>> >> >>software
>> >available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal license fee
>under
>> >$15.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>As for accessibility of this software for blind users, I think it
>would
>> >be accessible to a person using most screen reading programs. I will 
>> >give
>it
>> >a test with JAWS this week.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Yours,
>> >> >>John Eulenberg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >> >>>Hi,
>> >> >>>A few more questions if you don't mind.  I understand that this
>> >software is currently unavailable to the public, and you'd need
>sufficient
>> >interest in order to release it.  With that said, I'd like to ask a 
>> >few
>> >questions which might let everybody know if this program would work 
>> >for
>us.
>> >> >>>1.  What operating systems does the program run under?
>> >> >>>2.  How does it work?  E.G. what is the user interface like?  Is 
>> >> >>>it
>a
>> >deal where you write a text script which describes what phonemes or
>sounds
>> >are to be put on each note, or is it a graffical representation where 
>> >you
>> >somehow find the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic symbols 
>> >on
>> >those notes or something?  If that's the way it is, it probably 
>> >wouldn't
>be
>> >that useful to most of us, as most of us on this list probably are 
>> >blind.
>> >> >>>I think once there was talk of writing a program to do something
>> >similar, but putting some generic phonemic symbols on each note so you
>could
>> >then go in and manually put the  phonemes in.
>> >> >>>Jayson.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John Eulenberg
>> >> >>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 AM
>> >> >>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty much a 
>> >> >>>matter
>of
>> >clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property. I'd be happy to look
>into
>> >it if there is sufficient interest.
>> >> >>>John B. Eulenberg
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>John Bryson Eulenberg
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Professor
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>> >> >>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >> >>>>Hi,
>> >> >>>>Has this software ever been made available to the DECtalk 
>> >> >>>>community
>at
>> >large, or is it only available for internal use?  Just curious.
>> >> >>>>Jayson.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >> >>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:15 AM
>> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Dear Jayson et al,
>> >> >>>>We have been doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the
>> >Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our 
>> >own
>> >proprietary software. Our main application has been for nonspeaking
>people
>> >using a communication aid system such as DynaVox.
>> >> >>>>Our program allows the user to input either at the phoneme level 
>> >> >>>>or
>at
>> >the level of orthographic representation (regular spelling).
>> >> >>>>Yours,
>> >> >>>>John Eulenberg
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Hey,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files
>into
>> >proper
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>DECtalk format for singing?  Obviously you'd have to put in the
>> >proper
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have 
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >notes and
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>durations converted.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Jayson.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>--
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Professor
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Audiology and Speech Sciences
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>African Studies Center
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>405 Computer Center
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Michigan State University
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>East Lansing, MI 48824-1042
>> >> >>>>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >
>> >> >John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
>> >> >
>> >> >Professor
>> >> >
>> >> >Audiology and Speech Sciences
>> >> >
>> >> >Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>> >> >
>> >> >African Studies Center
>> >> >
>> >> >Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>> >> >
>> >> >405 Computer Center
>> >> >
>> >> >Michigan State University
>> >> >
>> >> >East Lansing, MI 48824-1042
>> >> >
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