[DECtalk] Midi conversion?

Jayson Smith ratguy at bellsouth.net
Sat Jun 4 12:34:33 EDT 2005 

Hi,
I'm not familiar with that error message at all, so have no idea what it
means.  Sounds to me like it's trying to open up a local file on some local
disk that doesn't exist.  I hate to sound like Tech support staff trying to
make sure you haven't done something totally stupid, but...
Are you sure you typed in the following URL exactly?
http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
If you are sure that's what you typed, and still can't get it, I'll send it
via Email.
Jayson.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?


> error, can't open file, unable to read source disk.
> I am using internet explorer 6.0sp2.
> At 07:03 p.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Can you give an exact error message?  Also, what browser are you using?
> >Jayson.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
> >To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:25 PM
> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >
> >
> >> jayson I can't download your mids.
> >> I try and it finds the file.
> >> I choose save.
> >> it says file name.
> >> I push enter and then it says it can't read the file from source.
> >> At 09:58 a.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
> >> >Hi,
> >> >I made the MIDI files with Quick Windows Sequencer.  It can be found
at
> ><http://qws.andreLouis.com>http://qws.andreLouis.com
> >> >It's a free program written by a blind individual so as far as I know
> >it's 100% accessible.
> >> >Jayson.
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com>Nick Gawronski
> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >
> >> >Hi, What midi editor did you use to make these files and if it is free
> >where can I download it and how accessible is it?  Where is a good place
to
> >get midi files of normal songs and a program to convert them to wav
files?
> >bye
> >> >My web page is at
> ><http://www.nickgawronski.com>http://www.nickgawronski.com
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <mailto:ratguy at bellsouth.net>Jayson Smith
> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:59 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >
> >> >Hi,
> >> >I just made a few MIDI files for this purpose.  You can grab them at
the
> >following url.
> >> ><http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
> >> >There are three files.  The file row.mid is "Row, Row, Row your Boat",
> >mary.mid is "Mary Had a Little Lam" and joy.mid is "Joy to the World"
(the
> >Christmas song and not the Three Dog Night song).  I made all these
files.
> >They are all single-track files, and have nothing except the actual notes
to
> >be sung.  Just about everybody on this list will probably be familiar
with
> >these songs, so this shouldn't be a problem.
> >> >Joy actually really provides the only test of syllables being sung
over
> >multiple notes.  Is there any provision for the opposite.  I don't even
have
> >a song in mind, but let's say there was a song with the word 'idea' in
it,
> >where the 'dea' part was to be sung on one note.  Now, this constitutes
two
> >distinct vowel sounds.  Is the solution to make the midi accomodate the
song
> >by putting in a double note in that instance?  Actually, an actual
example
> >of this can be found in the song "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" in the
lyric
> >"To save us all from Satan's power".  Here, the word 'power' is sung on
one
> >note.
> >> >Jayson.
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
> >> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:47 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >
> >> >Dear Jayson,
> >> >Thanks for your questions.
> >> >You're right about the licensing. It would require a license for
DECtalk.
> >> >The program could be distributed in a form that doesn't include
DECtalk,
> >if the user would be content with just a function that merged the already
> >phoneticized DECtalk string with the midi file.
> >> >The program works with just the first track of the MIDI file, so in
> >casese of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want the first track to be the
> >vocal track, rather than some other instrument. My current implememtation
> >doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there are MIDI editor
programs
> >that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks from the song and resave
> >the stripped-down version.
> >> >As for operating systems, this program has worked under ME, and
probably
> >would work under 98 and 2000. I've been using XP during the last several
> >years, as I've refined the software, but the code doesn't depend on it's
> >being used under XP.
> >> >The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is
> >defined as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the preceding
> >consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two
notes,
> >such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early light....", the
> >solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it would be "2") in
> >the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme for the vowel,
as
> >in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign two consecutive
notes
> >to that syllable.
> >> >
> >> >If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to give the list a
couple
> >examples of how this works.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone have a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for
this
> >test?
> >> >
> >> >Yours,
> >> >John Eulenberg
> >> >
> >> >Jayson Smith wrote:
> >> >>Hi,
> >> >>Thanks for the explanation.  I do have a few more questions.  One's
> >about DECtalk itself.  Does the software actually have a DECtalk program
in
> >it, or does it call an external program to play the song you've just
> >created?  If DECtalk is bundled with the program, this might present a
whole
> >mess of licensing concerns.  Most of us in this community use the freely
> >available DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when, called
> >speak43.exe.  I have written a small program called Playdec which will
allow
> >for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk files using
the
> >Speak43 application or any similar application.  Let me know if you want
a
> >copy.  The license for my program is, basically, do whatever you want
with
> >it but if you use my code somewhere else I'd like credit.
> >> >>Is your program only usable under XP?  That's not a problem for me or
> >probably for most others, but I'm just wondering if it actually requires
XP
> >or if it's just not been tested on older systems such as 98.
> >> >>My other question involves the translation of MIDI notes into DECtalk
> >code.  Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI file, and you create a
DECtalk
> >phonemic version of the text 'This is a test'.  Now, would the first note
> >sing 'this', the second note sing 'is', the third note sing 'a', and the
> >fourth note sing 'test'?  If so, what about the other four notes, would
they
> >be silent?  In other words, is it always assumed that one note equals one
> >syllable?
> >> >>Thanks,
> >> >>Jayson.
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
> >> >>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:20 AM
> >> >>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >>
> >> >>Dear Jayson et al.,
> >> >>Basically, the program, which runs under Windows XP, presents three
text
> >windows: The first is for English orthography (regular spelling); the
second
> >is for DECtalk phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and the
third
> >is for the fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the musical notes.
You
> >can enter text into either the first window or the second window. If you
> >enter it into the first window, clicking a control button creates the
> >corresponding phonetic text in the second window for you automatically. A
> >separate navigation control allows you to select a midi file on your
> >computer. Then, once you have thus specified the phonetic text in the
second
> >text window and the desired midi file, clicking a second control button
> >creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk text in the third text window. This
> >text can then be played by clicking a third control button. Any of the
texts
> >can be copied to the clipboard for use in another application. Also, one
can
> >hand-edit the text in a
> >>  ll th
> >> ree windows at any time.
> >> >>
> >> >>I am working with Michigan State University on getting this software
> >available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal license fee
under
> >$15.
> >> >>
> >> >>As for accessibility of this software for blind users, I think it
would
> >be accessible to a person using most screen reading programs. I will give
it
> >a test with JAWS this week.
> >> >>
> >> >>Yours,
> >> >>John Eulenberg
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Jayson Smith wrote:
> >> >>>Hi,
> >> >>>A few more questions if you don't mind.  I understand that this
> >software is currently unavailable to the public, and you'd need
sufficient
> >interest in order to release it.  With that said, I'd like to ask a few
> >questions which might let everybody know if this program would work for
us.
> >> >>>1.  What operating systems does the program run under?
> >> >>>2.  How does it work?  E.G. what is the user interface like?  Is it
a
> >deal where you write a text script which describes what phonemes or
sounds
> >are to be put on each note, or is it a graffical representation where you
> >somehow find the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic symbols on
> >those notes or something?  If that's the way it is, it probably wouldn't
be
> >that useful to most of us, as most of us on this list probably are blind.
> >> >>>I think once there was talk of writing a program to do something
> >similar, but putting some generic phonemic symbols on each note so you
could
> >then go in and manually put the  phonemes in.
> >> >>>Jayson.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John Eulenberg
> >> >>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 AM
> >> >>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty much a matter
of
> >clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property. I'd be happy to look
into
> >it if there is sufficient interest.
> >> >>>John B. Eulenberg
> >> >>>
> >> >>>John Bryson Eulenberg
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Professor
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
> >> >>>Jayson Smith wrote:
> >> >>>>Hi,
> >> >>>>Has this software ever been made available to the DECtalk community
at
> >large, or is it only available for internal use?  Just curious.
> >> >>>>Jayson.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
> >> >>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
> >> >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:15 AM
> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Dear Jayson et al,
> >> >>>>We have been doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the
> >Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our own
> >proprietary software. Our main application has been for nonspeaking
people
> >using a communication aid system such as DynaVox.
> >> >>>>Our program allows the user to input either at the phoneme level or
at
> >the level of orthographic representation (regular spelling).
> >> >>>>Yours,
> >> >>>>John Eulenberg
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hey,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files
into
> >proper
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>DECtalk format for singing?  Obviously you'd have to put in the
> >proper
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have the
> >notes and
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>durations converted.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Jayson.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>--
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Professor
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Audiology and Speech Sciences
> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
> >> >
> >> >Professor
> >> >
> >> >Audiology and Speech Sciences
> >> >
> >> >Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
> >> >
> >> >African Studies Center
> >> >
> >> >Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
> >> >
> >> >405 Computer Center
> >> >
> >> >Michigan State University
> >> >
> >> >East Lansing, MI 48824-1042
> >> >
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