From burggraaferik at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 18:02:58 2016
From: burggraaferik at gmail.com (erik burggraaf)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:02:58 -0700
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
Message-ID: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>

Hi,  I was thinking it might be fun to investigate kegs for android.  So, the docs for this aren't great.  They mostly consintrate on mac os and linux.  The first thing it wants to do is search for roms and it's asking me if I have a version one rom or a version three rom but I don't know what the difference is.  I'm wondering, can I use the roms from mess?  If so, which version specification are they?

If there's internest in this I'd like to start a discussion over on www.inclusiveandroid.com.

Thanks for any help you can be.

ERik

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From jaybird at bluegrasspals.com  Fri Jul  1 18:48:59 2016
From: jaybird at bluegrasspals.com (Jayson Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>

Hello,

Either ROM version should work. Not sure about the ROMs from MESS, 
they're in zips, maybe you could extract the required ROM file from that.

The ROM 00 and 01 versions have 256K of RAM on the motherboard. The ROM 
03 has a megabyte on board, as well as a slightly changed control panel, 
sticky keys, and more enhancements.

Jayson

On 7/1/2016 6:02 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi,  I was thinking it might be fun to investigate kegs for android.  So, the docs for this aren't great.  They mostly consintrate on mac os and linux.  The first thing it wants to do is search for roms and it's asking me if I have a version one rom or a version three rom but I don't know what the difference is.  I'm wondering, can I use the roms from mess?  If so, which version specification are they?
>
> If there's internest in this I'd like to start a discussion over on www.inclusiveandroid.com.
>
> Thanks for any help you can be.
>
> ERik
> _______________________________________________
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> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
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>


From burggraaferik at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 20:33:55 2016
From: burggraaferik at gmail.com (erik burggraaf)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
Message-ID: <DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>

Hi Jason,  I got kegs to work without installing any roms.  I used other.dsk from the mess folder.  Once copied into the appropriate location on my sd card, kegs recognized it as a disk image and booted it.

The keyboard in kegs works great.  The options are 100% accessible.  The only hitch is that our talking disk image does not come up talking.  I had a sighted person look at the screen.  The main menu comes up.  I can use the kegs keyboard to input a number, 6 for example.  The great escape loads.  Mooooaah!  Now if only I could figure out why no speech.

I think I am going to move this over to inclusive android now.  If any one wants to chime in on the discussion, please come over so we can get the accessible android community aware of this.

Best,

Erik
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Either ROM version should work. Not sure about the ROMs from MESS, they're in zips, maybe you could extract the required ROM file from that.
> 
> The ROM 00 and 01 versions have 256K of RAM on the motherboard. The ROM 03 has a megabyte on board, as well as a slightly changed control panel, sticky keys, and more enhancements.
> 
> Jayson
> 
> On 7/1/2016 6:02 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> Hi,  I was thinking it might be fun to investigate kegs for android.  So, the docs for this aren't great.  They mostly consintrate on mac os and linux.  The first thing it wants to do is search for roms and it's asking me if I have a version one rom or a version three rom but I don't know what the difference is.  I'm wondering, can I use the roms from mess?  If so, which version specification are they?
>> 
>> If there's internest in this I'd like to start a discussion over on www.inclusiveandroid.com.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help you can be.
>> 
>> ERik
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindApple mailing list
>> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
>> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>> 
>> 
> 
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From gwynn at tds.net  Fri Jul  1 20:59:29 2016
From: gwynn at tds.net (John Schucker)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
	<DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81a4dd3e-ac4a-a842-7217-6b66775deab5@tds.net>

At a guess? Kegs doesn't emulate the Echo synthesizer. Mess doesn't 
speak because it's emulating an Apple II E, it speaks because it also 
emulates whatever Echo hardware. Alternatively, if it does, you'll need 
to figure out how to enable the emulation, or possibly change the slot 
the Echo lives in.


On 7/1/2016 19:33, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi Jason,  I got kegs to work without installing any roms.  I used other.dsk from the mess folder.  Once copied into the appropriate location on my sd card, kegs recognized it as a disk image and booted it.
>
> The keyboard in kegs works great.  The options are 100% accessible.  The only hitch is that our talking disk image does not come up talking.  I had a sighted person look at the screen.  The main menu comes up.  I can use the kegs keyboard to input a number, 6 for example.  The great escape loads.  Mooooaah!  Now if only I could figure out why no speech.
>
> I think I am going to move this over to inclusive android now.  If any one wants to chime in on the discussion, please come over so we can get the accessible android community aware of this.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Either ROM version should work. Not sure about the ROMs from MESS, they're in zips, maybe you could extract the required ROM file from that.
>>
>> The ROM 00 and 01 versions have 256K of RAM on the motherboard. The ROM 03 has a megabyte on board, as well as a slightly changed control panel, sticky keys, and more enhancements.
>>
>> Jayson
>>
>> On 7/1/2016 6:02 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> Hi,  I was thinking it might be fun to investigate kegs for android.  So, the docs for this aren't great.  They mostly consintrate on mac os and linux.  The first thing it wants to do is search for roms and it's asking me if I have a version one rom or a version three rom but I don't know what the difference is.  I'm wondering, can I use the roms from mess?  If so, which version specification are they?
>>>
>>> If there's internest in this I'd like to start a discussion over on www.inclusiveandroid.com.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can be.
>>>
>>> ERik
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindApple mailing list
>>> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
>>> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindApple mailing list
>> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
>> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>
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From bryanbkm at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 21:01:31 2016
From: bryanbkm at gmail.com (Bryan Mckinnish)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:01:31 -0400
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
	<DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53c1692d-20c8-1164-6489-f53f720011b9@gmail.com>

Have you had talkback try and read the text?
It would be awesome to be able to have some type of speech during this 
the games and such. What about beeps and such?
Thanks.
Bryan Mckinnish

On 7/1/2016 8:33 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi Jason,  I got kegs to work without installing any roms.  I used other.dsk from the mess folder.  Once copied into the appropriate location on my sd card, kegs recognized it as a disk image and booted it.
>
> The keyboard in kegs works great.  The options are 100% accessible.  The only hitch is that our talking disk image does not come up talking.  I had a sighted person look at the screen.  The main menu comes up.  I can use the kegs keyboard to input a number, 6 for example.  The great escape loads.  Mooooaah!  Now if only I could figure out why no speech.
>
> I think I am going to move this over to inclusive android now.  If any one wants to chime in on the discussion, please come over so we can get the accessible android community aware of this.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Either ROM version should work. Not sure about the ROMs from MESS, they're in zips, maybe you could extract the required ROM file from that.
>>
>> The ROM 00 and 01 versions have 256K of RAM on the motherboard. The ROM 03 has a megabyte on board, as well as a slightly changed control panel, sticky keys, and more enhancements.
>>
>> Jayson
>>
>> On 7/1/2016 6:02 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> Hi,  I was thinking it might be fun to investigate kegs for android.  So, the docs for this aren't great.  They mostly consintrate on mac os and linux.  The first thing it wants to do is search for roms and it's asking me if I have a version one rom or a version three rom but I don't know what the difference is.  I'm wondering, can I use the roms from mess?  If so, which version specification are they?
>>>
>>> If there's internest in this I'd like to start a discussion over on www.inclusiveandroid.com.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can be.
>>>
>>> ERik
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindApple mailing list
>>> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
>>> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindApple mailing list
>> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
>> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindApple mailing list
> BlindApple at bluegrasspals.com
> http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mailman/listinfo/blindapple
>


From burggraaferik at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 22:33:59 2016
From: burggraaferik at gmail.com (erik burggraaf)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:33:59 -0700
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <53c1692d-20c8-1164-6489-f53f720011b9@gmail.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
	<DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
	<53c1692d-20c8-1164-6489-f53f720011b9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A58AA37A-AEB4-4891-851A-4BD31A3D59AA@gmail.com>


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Bryan Mckinnish <bryanbkm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you had talkback try and read the text?
> No,  There's no possibility that talkback would read text inside the apple ii screen.

> It would be awesome to be able to have some type of speech during this the games and such. What about beeps and such?
Yes, we get those.  I get a beep when my disk starts to boot for example.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:59 PM, John Schucker <gwynn at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> At a guess? Kegs doesn't emulate the Echo synthesizer. Mess doesn't speak because it's emulating an Apple II E, it speaks because it also emulates whatever Echo hardware. 

I had that thought after sending my last message, but if that's the case, I guess I'll have to write the developer.  I mean I don't suppose it's even as simple as swapping in a new ron, but what do I really know about this stuff?  

I guess I'll drop an email and see what they say.

Best,

Erik

From gwynn at tds.net  Fri Jul  1 22:39:06 2016
From: gwynn at tds.net (John Schucker)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <A58AA37A-AEB4-4891-851A-4BD31A3D59AA@gmail.com>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
	<DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
	<53c1692d-20c8-1164-6489-f53f720011b9@gmail.com>
	<A58AA37A-AEB4-4891-851A-4BD31A3D59AA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50285de8-5429-d91b-6b8b-12c6b1ef9e46@tds.net>

Mess is open source. I don't know how simple it would be to pull code 
out of that and port it to Android, so the dev might not want to do it. 
But in theory, whatever hardware emulation of the Echo they've got going 
on is freely available to look at and use.

From burggraaferik at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 22:49:26 2016
From: burggraaferik at gmail.com (erik burggraaf)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:49:26 -0700
Subject: [Blindapple] o/t roms for kegs for android?
In-Reply-To: <50285de8-5429-d91b-6b8b-12c6b1ef9e46@tds.net>
References: <696DF4FA-FB2D-4205-9DD1-B0156C7355F8@gmail.com>
	<8e353bf8-0373-cf7f-a586-628d8d8e740c@bluegrasspals.com>
	<DEB0C06C-C8E6-466B-BEBA-AE0948E10B05@gmail.com>
	<53c1692d-20c8-1164-6489-f53f720011b9@gmail.com>
	<A58AA37A-AEB4-4891-851A-4BD31A3D59AA@gmail.com>
	<50285de8-5429-d91b-6b8b-12c6b1ef9e46@tds.net>
Message-ID: <A123C74D-7231-471F-B8BC-75C4F265FA19@gmail.com>

That should be a big help.  I've sent an email off and we'll see what happens.  I also posted it up to inclusive android's app directory.

Thanks for all the feedback.  Hopefully we get this running and I can move my apple games ofer to my phone.

Best,

Erik
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:39 PM, John Schucker <gwynn at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> Mess is open source. I don't know how simple it would be to pull code out of that and port it to Android, so the dev might not want to do it. But in theory, whatever hardware emulation of the Echo they've got going on is freely available to look at and use.
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